Our Boys ripped off by the MoD
Penny pinching MOD tells troops to stay at home...
A new twist to the phrase "home based". Now they can close them all down!
Could be the theme for a python sketch, blanketstacker! You bumped without even knowing it. "I believe it refers to taking a thread to the top of a Forum by posting on it, M'Lud, a practise popular among the lower orders!".
Don't understand the jargon (bumped etc) but I have signed the petition.
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I know that a number of stations will be holding Charity events over the next few months for Help for Heroes. Let's see if we can all help scrap Defence Estates charging for the use of the stations before these events take place. I and others fully understand the need for commercial insurance cover before an event can take place that is just legal common sense but not the charges imposed by Defence Estates after accounts for events have been presented. i.e. demanding 15 per cent of the net profit from the event or the direct costs to the MOD, whichever is the greater.
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I know that a number of stations will be holding Charity events over the next few months for Help for Heroes. Let's see if we can all help scrap Defence Estates charging for the use of the stations before these events take place. I and others fully understand the need for commercial insurance cover before an event can take place that is just legal common sense but not the charges imposed by Defence Estates after accounts for events have been presented. i.e. demanding 15 per cent of the net profit from the event or the direct costs to the MOD, whichever is the greater.
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Treatment of injured military personnel
As a Royal Air Force officer I spent a couple of weeks at Headley Court in Autumn 1960 and everything was quite superb with the clear objective of getting each and every patient as fit as possible and back to the best of health within the limits of their injuries. The very least we can do for our servicemen and their families is give them first class support and treatment with no reasonable expense spared.
Unfortunately I don't think we have one member of the cabinet who has ever been in the armed forces or who has had to face the enemy.
Nevertheless a similar "row" is raging in the US where there is a commonly held view that once they are back from the Gulf injured or otherwise they unimportant.
Disgusting.
Unfortunately I don't think we have one member of the cabinet who has ever been in the armed forces or who has had to face the enemy.
Nevertheless a similar "row" is raging in the US where there is a commonly held view that once they are back from the Gulf injured or otherwise they unimportant.
Disgusting.
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Defence Estates: Charities
Ann Winterton: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence whether his Department charges charitable organisations for events held on departmental property; and if he will make a statement. [171346]
Derek Twigg: Under Government Finance Accounting Regulations (Managing Public Money), there are no special arrangements for the treatment of charities, whether service or other. The fact that a charity is to be the main beneficiary of a good or service is not in itself sufficient justification to introduce a special charging regime or to set charges aside. There is the opportunity for abatement of full costs and this decision is on a case-by-case basis taking account of any special circumstances that may apply.
All privately-run events on departmental property, whether charitable or other are required to be covered by public liability insurance. This requirement is passed on to the organiser who is responsible for ensuring that appropriate cover is in place. Where commercial insurance is either not available or only at disproportionate cost, then organisers are charged under a departmental insurance scheme.
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Defence Estates: Charities
Ann Winterton: To ask the Secretary of State for Defence whether his Department charges charitable organisations for events held on departmental property; and if he will make a statement. [171346]
Derek Twigg: Under Government Finance Accounting Regulations (Managing Public Money), there are no special arrangements for the treatment of charities, whether service or other. The fact that a charity is to be the main beneficiary of a good or service is not in itself sufficient justification to introduce a special charging regime or to set charges aside. There is the opportunity for abatement of full costs and this decision is on a case-by-case basis taking account of any special circumstances that may apply.
All privately-run events on departmental property, whether charitable or other are required to be covered by public liability insurance. This requirement is passed on to the organiser who is responsible for ensuring that appropriate cover is in place. Where commercial insurance is either not available or only at disproportionate cost, then organisers are charged under a departmental insurance scheme.
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Just beating the air into submission!
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Its sooooo... good that our Armed Forces feel under valued by our Governmental. it must be a daily mantra chant around the Cabinet table, when will they ever learn!
Done, dusted and signed with pleasure 2856.
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Done, dusted and signed with pleasure 2856.
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I did like the figure that was on the news last night, where it showed that the Government had pumped £55billion into Northern Rock, but that the entire budget for the armed forces last year was £33billion..........
Nice to see they've got their priorities straight.
Nice to see they've got their priorities straight.
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where it showed that the Government had pumped £55billion into Northern Rock
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The comment about the MOD leaning on charity.
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The comment about the MOD leaning on charity.
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I'm absolutely stunned by the penny pinching attitude from the corridors of power. These fees seem to be generated by those that have no need for the good work done by the charities that many service personnel freely give their time to raise money for. In effect the robbing b
ds are taking money from charities. 
BTW, first post, so hello everyone.
I'm absolutely stunned by the penny pinching attitude from the corridors of power.
These fees seem to be generated by those that have no need for the good work done by the charities that many service personnel freely give their time to raise money for. In effect the robbing bds are taking money from charities. BTW, first post, so hello everyone.
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The penny pinching attitudes we've been witness to from the corridors of power gets my goat. In spite of all the good efforts of service personnel to raise money for these worthwhile causes, the robbing bds are, in effect, skimming money off the charity. Some events I've heard of have had more money disappear to Land Estates than they've given to the charity. 
The penny pinching attitudes we've been witness to from the corridors of power gets my goat.
In spite of all the good efforts of service personnel to raise money for these worthwhile causes, the robbing bds are, in effect, skimming money off the charity. Some events I've heard of have had more money disappear to Land Estates than they've given to the charity.
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The e-petition response could be precised to:
... it is not the government's position to take 15%.... we take precisely how much we want... Robbing bs
As a government they really have lost their way. The acid test IMHO for everything like this is could you imagine them coming up with this Policy
whilein opposition? And no, I can't.
So it smacks to me that common sense and good decency has been skewed yet again by the traditional civil serpent / Treasury approach to life which, as ever, is based on recognising the cost of everything and the value of nothing. Common sense cannot prevail under those circumstances...
In sum a lazy response to the petition which begs the supplementary question... Why? And the small point that FFS... You are the Governement! You make the rules! Change the stupid things!
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... it is not the government's position to take 15%.... we take precisely how much we want... Robbing b
sAs a government they really have lost their way. The acid test IMHO for everything like this is could you imagine them coming up with this Policy
whilein opposition? And no, I can't. So it smacks to me that common sense and good decency has been skewed yet again by the traditional civil serpent / Treasury approach to life which, as ever, is based on recognising the cost of everything and the value of nothing. Common sense cannot prevail under those circumstances...
In sum a lazy response to the petition which begs the supplementary question... Why? And the small point that FFS... You are the Governement! You make the rules! Change the stupid things!
Signed
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cracking post Rockape.
In the end this is just down to common sense and decency. The lifting of such fees would be an extremely easy thing to do and count as a good will gesture towards the good work that forces charity's do that also lifts the burden on the MOD and a gesture towards the very people this government send to do the difficult tasks that it is currently presented with. Its a shame that such a petition has to be raised in the first place
As I have posted before the PM's early response was more than miss-leading. The DE require a licence fee to be paid before the event and before this licence is issued DE requires proof that the organisation has purchased sufficient insurance cover, via a civil legal firm. We all understand that insurance must paid to cover for any eventuality, fair one.
The fee plus TAX for preparing the DE licence ( printing out 5 pieces of A 4 paper after just inserting the organisers name and event into the same text) is just petty.
What is inexcusable is the demanded after the event. It is not by how many people turned up and used the facility's but by how much was raised. This is just day light robbery, no better then the stories we hear about Hoodies who swipe the Poppy tin and run from the old soldier outside Tescos
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In the end this is just down to common sense and decency. The lifting of such fees would be an extremely easy thing to do and count as a good will gesture towards the good work that forces charity's do that also lifts the burden on the MOD and a gesture towards the very people this government send to do the difficult tasks that it is currently presented with. Its a shame that such a petition has to be raised in the first place
As I have posted before the PM's early response was more than miss-leading. The DE require a licence fee to be paid before the event and before this licence is issued DE requires proof that the organisation has purchased sufficient insurance cover, via a civil legal firm. We all understand that insurance must paid to cover for any eventuality, fair one.
The fee plus TAX for preparing the DE licence ( printing out 5 pieces of A 4 paper after just inserting the organisers name and event into the same text) is just petty.
What is inexcusable is the demanded after the event. It is not by how many people turned up and used the facility's but by how much was raised. This is just day light robbery, no better then the stories we hear about Hoodies who swipe the Poppy tin and run from the old soldier outside Tescos
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this is why
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this is why
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Signed as well, with great pleasure.
When the present HMG runs our military right down to the last tank, squaddy, ship and aircraft, who's going to fight their wars for them? ("1st Civil Serpent Grenadier Division"? - the "Crimson Permanent Assurance" short from "The Meaning Of Life" springs to mind....)
What constitutes minimum defence for the UK, anyway?
When the present HMG runs our military right down to the last tank, squaddy, ship and aircraft, who's going to fight their wars for them? ("1st Civil Serpent Grenadier Division"? - the "Crimson Permanent Assurance" short from "The Meaning Of Life" springs to mind....)
What constitutes minimum defence for the UK, anyway?