Next Years Pay Award
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HEre is a novel idea. How about we dont pay Income tax, full stop whilst we are on det? Sod Op allce. Its a pitance.
And where is my bloody NATO pay for the 5 months in afghanistan whilst a bloody NATO OP?
And where is my bloody NATO pay for the 5 months in afghanistan whilst a bloody NATO OP?
Work offshore
Having completed my "career" in the RAF, I decided that I was too young to retire, so I now work offshore. So what are the benefits?
When I leave home on travel that is organised for me with no input from me, I do not pay for anything. I work off the coast of Denmark and my travel to Aberdeen by train is paid, along with my air fare to Esbjerg (from Aberdeen). When I arrive at Esbjerg, as there is an overnight stay before I go to the rig, there is a paid for taxi waiting to take me to my hotel where I have a single room and £25 for a steak meal and non alcoholic drinks. The following morning I have breakfast and a taxi to collect me and take me to the airport where the helo takes me offshore.
On the way back if I have an overnight stay caused by poor weather I go to the hotel again where I have a meal and alcoholic drinks paid by the company, plus an extra days pay.
We are still awaiting this years pay award which will be backdated. 8% has been rejected and the norm is probably going to be 13% for the year, plus £1000 payment every 3 months in lieu of holiday. I get overtime at time and a half if I work beyond my rostered 12 hours per day - no question. If I agree to do extra days, I also get time and a half. For working Christmas and new year, I get an extra £75 per day for the 3 days considered holidays. Do I feel valued? Yes. My pay is always correct and paid on time - no waiting for it to catch up. We were delayed leaving the rig by 6 hours last trip, and the result was an extra days pay for all concerned. And as for the pension, they match your contributions to 5%, and give you a 10% of your annual salary supplement into your pension account at the end of the year if the company makes a profit.
This is not a recruiting drive for offshore, but merely to demonstrate the contrast in the way we can be dealt with by a caring employer. When I tell the guys on board the rig that the Services were awarded a 2.8% pay rise this year, with little prospect of anything better this coming year, they think I am having a laugh.
Merry Christmas to you all and fly and stay safe.
When I leave home on travel that is organised for me with no input from me, I do not pay for anything. I work off the coast of Denmark and my travel to Aberdeen by train is paid, along with my air fare to Esbjerg (from Aberdeen). When I arrive at Esbjerg, as there is an overnight stay before I go to the rig, there is a paid for taxi waiting to take me to my hotel where I have a single room and £25 for a steak meal and non alcoholic drinks. The following morning I have breakfast and a taxi to collect me and take me to the airport where the helo takes me offshore.
On the way back if I have an overnight stay caused by poor weather I go to the hotel again where I have a meal and alcoholic drinks paid by the company, plus an extra days pay.
We are still awaiting this years pay award which will be backdated. 8% has been rejected and the norm is probably going to be 13% for the year, plus £1000 payment every 3 months in lieu of holiday. I get overtime at time and a half if I work beyond my rostered 12 hours per day - no question. If I agree to do extra days, I also get time and a half. For working Christmas and new year, I get an extra £75 per day for the 3 days considered holidays. Do I feel valued? Yes. My pay is always correct and paid on time - no waiting for it to catch up. We were delayed leaving the rig by 6 hours last trip, and the result was an extra days pay for all concerned. And as for the pension, they match your contributions to 5%, and give you a 10% of your annual salary supplement into your pension account at the end of the year if the company makes a profit.
This is not a recruiting drive for offshore, but merely to demonstrate the contrast in the way we can be dealt with by a caring employer. When I tell the guys on board the rig that the Services were awarded a 2.8% pay rise this year, with little prospect of anything better this coming year, they think I am having a laugh.
Merry Christmas to you all and fly and stay safe.
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The Tories gave us a few split pay rises in their last few years in charge, So don't expect any favours from them. Oh and they did the deal with Annington homes and closed military hospitals. Basically we're screwed either way.
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Those are the exact reasons I will be joining the off shore crowd very soon! Quite a few friends off shore, some of them ex-RAF, they say there is no comparison and they wish they had gone off shore years ago!
Those are the exact reasons I will be joining the off shore crowd very soon! Quite a few friends off shore, some of them ex-RAF, they say there is no comparison and they wish they had gone off shore years ago!
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It's still going but has failed to seize the initiative, IMHO - it's not as if they haven't been handed a bunch of opportunities to get get into the limelight either!
The association's biggest problem is they won't be listened to (apart from maybe by Breakfast News) unless they either seize the limelight through groundbreaking initiatives and do something tangible that amounts to more than just 'visions' and mission statements. No offence to the bloke who currently runs it, but we've not heard or seen anything of you
The association's biggest problem is they won't be listened to (apart from maybe by Breakfast News) unless they either seize the limelight through groundbreaking initiatives and do something tangible that amounts to more than just 'visions' and mission statements. No offence to the bloke who currently runs it, but we've not heard or seen anything of you
Unlike BAFF who have been at the forefront of many leading headlines. Not only commenting on but also making them through direct action, with out the need for window dressing using high profile (highly paid I suspect figures like the UKNDA use. Having big biceps is great unless you can properly exercise it.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3056720.ece
Gurkhas will be sacked early to reduce their pension rights
Michael Smith
THE Ministry of Defence (MoD) is facing legal action over plans to cut the pensions of Gurkhas by sacking them three years before they are due to leave the army.
The move, which means the MoD will avoid having to pay an ordinary Gurkha soldier more than £200,000, is to be challenged in the courts by the British Armed Forces Federation (BAFF).
The policy was introduced by civil servants after they were forced to increase the Gurkhas’ pay and pensions to bring them into line with the rest of the army. An official briefing document on the new pension scheme shows that 80%-85% of Gurkhas will be discharged early, so missing the better payments.
They will lose out not only on the immediate pension they would get after 18 years’ service but also on a lump sum departure payment of the equivalent of three years’ pension.
Gurkhas have been put on the new army pension scheme, which applies to all other soldiers, after years of campaigning by their supporters. The full pension will be worth around £6,500 a year for a rifleman, the basic Gurkha rank – plus the one-off departure payment.
In the past, most Gurkhas served only for 15 years, after which they received an immediate pension that was much smaller and worth only about £1,200 a year for a rifleman.
But Gurkhas on the new scheme will now get nothing until they are 65, if the MoD decides they are among the 80%-85% who are to be thrown out at 15 years.
For most Gurkhas who join the army at 18, that will deprive them of a total of 32 years’ pension money, £208,000 for a basic rifleman, and far more for an NCO.
The briefing document says the army will recruit far too many Gurkhas if they are allowed to serve to the 18-year point, so most will be discharged after 15 years with no immediate pension and no departure payment.
The ready availability of recruits for the Gurkhas among young Nepalese men has led the MoD to decide to discharge older soldiers early rather than cut the number of recruits.
A “manning control scheme” was used from the late 1990s until 2002, in an attempt to cut the MoD’s pension liability by preventing some soldiers serving to the point at which they received an immediate pension.
But its deliberate intent to cut pension payments was exposed in 2002 after a series of cases in which highly experienced soldiers with extremely good reports were thrown out at a time when the army was desperately short of such men.
Ministers ordered civil servants to stop using the scheme to discharge good soldiers and it has not been used since. It has been revived specifically to control the numbers of Gurkha soldiers.
Doug Young, the BAFF chairman, said it was staggering that “the MoD should consider reintroducing their discredited manning control policy for anyone, let alone for Gurkha soldiers only. This raises several important legal issues, not only racial discrimination, serious as that would be”.
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I think a good pay rise is necessary, maybe around the 3.5%-4% area.
By itself it may not keep people in but if we get a poor rise you can bet it'll be the straw that broke the camels back for a lot of people and even more would vote with their feet.
Mind you that seems to be the Governments policy these days. Experience costs so why not get less experienced people to do the same jobs?
By itself it may not keep people in but if we get a poor rise you can bet it'll be the straw that broke the camels back for a lot of people and even more would vote with their feet.
Mind you that seems to be the Governments policy these days. Experience costs so why not get less experienced people to do the same jobs?
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4% A good rise!!?!?!? Didnt you notice RPI is up at 4.7% at the moment? Try 7% and we would be talking a good rise. Anything less than 5% is a pay cut... and bearing in mind rates have just been cut you can expect RPI to climb significantly above this value as well!
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There are also a number of petitions about MPs' pay on the No10 Petition site, this looks the most appropriate:
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/MPpayrises/
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We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Cap MP`s pay rises and bring them inline with the REST of the public sector.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/MPpayrises/
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We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Cap MP`s pay rises and bring them inline with the REST of the public sector.
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I think we should top whinging and just get on with the job,crikes we work hard and are proud what we do , why should we get more money ?
people that sell the big issue have no problems on there earnings and id rather be tucked up in a nice little line building than an alley way smelling of wee selling a paper thats just complete mince !!!!
people that sell the big issue have no problems on there earnings and id rather be tucked up in a nice little line building than an alley way smelling of wee selling a paper thats just complete mince !!!!
I think we should top whinging and just get on with the job,crikes we work hard and are proud what we do , why should we get more money ?
people that sell the big issue have no problems on there earnings and id rather be tucked up in a nice little line building than an alley way smelling of wee selling a paper thats just complete mince !!!!
people that sell the big issue have no problems on there earnings and id rather be tucked up in a nice little line building than an alley way smelling of wee selling a paper thats just complete mince !!!!
All I can say is I hope you had a few before you wrote that. How about being stuck in an alleyway in Musa Qala or Sangin smelling of death and no paper? Still think we should just crack on for peanuts?
The raw figures may look ok, but you try finding any civilian or god forbid a civil servant or a politician that would go out and do what we do day in day out for the same money ...... oh funny that, you won't.
But then again, maybe you're part of the non-deployable RAF, in which case perhaps you should crawl back to your nice line building and take your money and decide what to spend it on whilst the rest of military get on with the fighting.
There are precious few benefits left to being in the military, pay is about all we have left. But if you don't realise your own worth, why the hell should the politicians recognise it in the form of a half decent pay rise for once!
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Sure youll be ok exRAFAC.
Officers flying pay coming your way next month is it not
. A nice little £13 or up to £35 a day 
Officers flying pay coming your way next month is it not
. A nice little £13 or up to £35 a day
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I would hope the government is not foolish enough to give a poor settlement in next years pay rise(although when did common sense come into it). With all the commitments and all 3 forces stretched more than ever, retention of staff problems and recruiting issues, not to mention a forthcoming election
i see a bit of light on this issue
i see a bit of light on this issue
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pension contribution
Heard the AFPRB last year reported that the level of pay which is creamed off for the pension should be reduced by 3% so perhaps if this was actioned with a decent pay rise on top we could be in for a good deal but I doubt it!!!!!!!!!
In anticipation of next years pay award I have PVRed
In anticipation of next years pay award I have PVRed
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17% pay rise can be funded for free how!
Well the RAF was 48000 last year now its going to be 41000 a cut of 7000 staff.
Say average wage across all ranks £35k. So there is a saving of (£35K * 7000) = £245 million pounds in wages for the year.
£245M / the remaining 41000 staff thats £5976 each.
£5976/£35K = 17% pay rise
So simple even Gordon knows that giving you a rise of 4% he's saved a packet.
I say you because I have handed in my F1250 and have a nice fat bank balance thanks to 26 years in.
Pay rise indeed............ gimmy more
Well the RAF was 48000 last year now its going to be 41000 a cut of 7000 staff.
Say average wage across all ranks £35k. So there is a saving of (£35K * 7000) = £245 million pounds in wages for the year.
£245M / the remaining 41000 staff thats £5976 each.
£5976/£35K = 17% pay rise
So simple even Gordon knows that giving you a rise of 4% he's saved a packet.
I say you because I have handed in my F1250 and have a nice fat bank balance thanks to 26 years in.
Pay rise indeed............ gimmy more
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LOL Edset100
I cant believe there was a bite too lol
Just for info Melchett ive done quite a few OOA,lets just say last 14 months ive done 140 days in the sandpit.
Im not looking for a fight old bean , just a bit of light hearted banter.
Pay rise would be nice and i think we deserve one but reality is we are not going to get what we want. We never do
I cant believe there was a bite too lol
Just for info Melchett ive done quite a few OOA,lets just say last 14 months ive done 140 days in the sandpit.
Im not looking for a fight old bean , just a bit of light hearted banter.
Pay rise would be nice and i think we deserve one but reality is we are not going to get what we want. We never do