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PS, and still are? no, not a nagigator 
PS, that was a typo but it looks better
PS, that was a typo but it looks better
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Isn't there an ex-nav out there who is doing very well thank you out of being the media's point of reference for all things Iraqi/aviation/military??
Probably pockets a lot more cash than I do for doing a lot less than I do as well
Probably pockets a lot more cash than I do for doing a lot less than I do as well
Originally Posted by "pr00ne2
I have two thousand hours without a Nav, how many do you have without a pilot?
Back on topic, I moved into the world of consultancy. For a Nav it's basically money for old rope. You spend your time dealing with a lot of fragile egos and keeping the whole shebang moving in the direction that you want it to. The hours are better, no secondary duties and to be honest, most civvies are amazed by our skills at making broken things work.
Never realy understood this banter about ex-navs, but if I were involved in pilot recruitment I would be keen to look at employing ex-RAF navs as pilots. Apart from the handling, they are usually good at operating complex sytems and (obviously) working in a crew environment (CRM). On the whole I don't think they should need too much trg to be able to handle the aircraft safely.
I know a lot of navs who fly or have flown, and they are mostly proficient. Wouldn't want to upset the single-seat FJ guys, but I would be more interested in recruiting an ex-nav instead!
I know a lot of navs who fly or have flown, and they are mostly proficient. Wouldn't want to upset the single-seat FJ guys, but I would be more interested in recruiting an ex-nav instead!
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Widger it was the pilots who rotated the maps. Real navigators could navigate up, down, left, right and around coffee cups. We could also use different coloured pens, write a record of what happened so that it was available at the debrief and not when the analyists got in to read the tapes.
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It was inevitable I suppose that this thread would become a 'back seat v. front seat' forum, however Spoff, that last remark was sooooo immature. Shame on you!
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What do Navs do when they leave?
I'm always a bit confused by this question - surely the answer is "exactly the same as pilots who leave and don't fly" - quite a few of those around too.
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No Matt, we graduated from quill pens to the modern ink filled plastic tipped pen. It does not fade and gives a readily understood pictorial representation of the mission.
The crayons that you no doubt have yet to use are far too crude.
The crayons that you no doubt have yet to use are far too crude.
When I went through Nav training at Finningley, many years ago, proudly displayed on a wall in the nav school was the nav log as written by a 617 Sqn nav on the night of the Dams Raid. I can't remember whether it was actually Gibsons nav or not.
There was a small card under it describing it, and with the caption of something like...'an example of logging under pressure'.
I'm not sure if it made it to Cranwell when Finningley closed!
From what I can remember it wasn't written in crayon.
There was a small card under it describing it, and with the caption of something like...'an example of logging under pressure'.
I'm not sure if it made it to Cranwell when Finningley closed!
From what I can remember it wasn't written in crayon.
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The Navs on the Squadrons I served on were hard nosed determined idividuals. They knew there was no future in civvy street so they pushed for the career option. Good luck to them, if pushing paper around floats your boat and keeps a pilot on the cockpit, then jolly good oh!
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CK,
I am afraid navs are not quite as white as thed riven snow. The former mess manager at what is now appropriately Lindhome prison was guilty of embezzlement.
I am afraid navs are not quite as white as thed riven snow. The former mess manager at what is now appropriately Lindhome prison was guilty of embezzlement.
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Where do Navs go
I completed a National Service nav course after failing an airframe drivers course.
Afterwards I found that if I had passed the drivers course the possible directions were Meteor or Shackleton, and having tried to fly an Oxford rather than a Harvard, Shackelton was the more probable. I did not fancy being a Nav in a Shack or in a Meteor NF11 either
I knew someone who did 20 hour patrols in a Shack, and he was never the same again. So I went back to civvy and spent the next 25 years designing aircraft equipment.
Afterwards I found that if I had passed the drivers course the possible directions were Meteor or Shackleton, and having tried to fly an Oxford rather than a Harvard, Shackelton was the more probable. I did not fancy being a Nav in a Shack or in a Meteor NF11 either
I knew someone who did 20 hour patrols in a Shack, and he was never the same again. So I went back to civvy and spent the next 25 years designing aircraft equipment.