Pilot Officer Windsor anyone?
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Submariners don't wear "Underwater Wings" they are Dolphins, or a pair of lady's legs if you look again.
VMT DD but "Underwater wings" in inverted commas (or "speechmarks", as some young fellows quaintly call them!) is a very old joke dating back to 16 Jul 71, the date RN dolphins were first awarded. RAN dolphins were previously always known as the D of E's view of a certain lady wearing nylons, and hence the RN's more heraldic dolphins quickly became known as the D of E's view of the same lady wearing fishnet stockings.
Jack
PS I'm much too polite to comment on the location of the anchor ....
Submariners don't wear "Underwater Wings" they are Dolphins, or a pair of lady's legs if you look again.
VMT DD but "Underwater wings" in inverted commas (or "speechmarks", as some young fellows quaintly call them!) is a very old joke dating back to 16 Jul 71, the date RN dolphins were first awarded. RAN dolphins were previously always known as the D of E's view of a certain lady wearing nylons, and hence the RN's more heraldic dolphins quickly became known as the D of E's view of the same lady wearing fishnet stockings.
Jack
PS I'm much too polite to comment on the location of the anchor ....
So, when is he going to do a stint as a Postman?
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I can't believe the whining going on regarding the Princes partying every night and carrying on with pretty girls.
The only thing that stops 90% of the british forces doing exactly the same is a lack of money. Something I doubt the Princes will have a problem with.
Although if you turn to the next morning unable to do your job then thats what a 'Cap on no Coffee' meeting is for.
The only thing that stops 90% of the british forces doing exactly the same is a lack of money. Something I doubt the Princes will have a problem with.
Although if you turn to the next morning unable to do your job then thats what a 'Cap on no Coffee' meeting is for.
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One might interpret that as suggesting that operational pilots are not competent pilots! I know that's not what he meant and what he does mean seems quite reasonable BUT according to QRs that does not qualify you to be issued your wings let alone retain them (that I believe is CR or 1 year productive service).
So the question is: are QRs getting a good ignoring in this case or is there another QR that exempts HRHs / HM from the normal regulations, equivalent to Crown Immunity in law? I have no particular objection to Willy having a shot at the RAF and collecting a badge (along with firelighting and knots) but I'd be interested to know how the Airships are justifying it.
As far as see I can see, there is no provision in QRs for the issue and retention of wings as a result of 'custom courses' and PMA are not normally known for their flexibilty, helpfulness and lateral thinking. There have been a great many pilot's chopped more than 4 months into training who by S/L Marsh's logic must also be 'competent pilots' and by Willy's precedent entitled to wings!
"We have adapted the course and we have cut out anything superfluous to his specific needs because we're not teaching him to be an operational pilot - we're teaching him to be a competent pilot," Sqn Ldr Marsh said
So the question is: are QRs getting a good ignoring in this case or is there another QR that exempts HRHs / HM from the normal regulations, equivalent to Crown Immunity in law? I have no particular objection to Willy having a shot at the RAF and collecting a badge (along with firelighting and knots) but I'd be interested to know how the Airships are justifying it.
As far as see I can see, there is no provision in QRs for the issue and retention of wings as a result of 'custom courses' and PMA are not normally known for their flexibilty, helpfulness and lateral thinking. There have been a great many pilot's chopped more than 4 months into training who by S/L Marsh's logic must also be 'competent pilots' and by Willy's precedent entitled to wings!
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There have been a great many pilot's chopped more than 4 months into training who by S/L Marsh's logic must also be 'competent pilots'
Why can't you people get it into your numb skulls that he can't be compared to a normal trainee because..............yep, you've guessed it, he's not a normal trainee and never can be, never will be, never should be.
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Well said chap but I think you are going to have re type that last message but this time in capitals and a much bigger font for the hard of reading..............
Well said chap but I think you are going to have re type that last message but this time in capitals and a much bigger font for the hard of reading..............
>>Why can't you people get it into your numb skulls that he can't be compared to a normal trainee because..............yep, you've guessed it, he's not a normal trainee and never can be, never will be, never should be <<
So why should he be awarded RAF Wings?
It might be more appropriate if Grandma awarded him a special Royal set of wings.
So why should he be awarded RAF Wings?
It might be more appropriate if Grandma awarded him a special Royal set of wings.
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SFFP & Chickenleg, perhaps 'the hard of reading' applies to you.
You will see that I said:
The point and question was:
You will see that I said:
I have no particular objection to Willy having a shot at the RAF and collecting a badge (along with firelighting and knots) but I'd be interested to know how the Airships are justifying it.
are QRs getting a good ignoring in this case or is there another QR that exempts HRHs / HM from the normal regulations, equivalent to Crown Immunity in law?
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So I take it that you're saying QRs are being disregarded in this case whereas they are applied with utter rigidity to all other officers and airmen.
I actually think it good for the RAF that he should have a go and get the wings. I just wondered if there was official provision for this situation under Air Force Law or do Binnsworth pick and choose which QRs to observe. I think I can guess the answer to that one.
I actually think it good for the RAF that he should have a go and get the wings. I just wondered if there was official provision for this situation under Air Force Law or do Binnsworth pick and choose which QRs to observe. I think I can guess the answer to that one.
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The point at which you get your wings has moved back and forwards so many times in the last couple of decades that it really is a trivial point.
Personally, I wish him the best of luck and hope he gets a feel for what the RAF is about - *that's* what he's doing it for, you
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Edit: On review, that could be seen as a little OTT - not directed directly at Mike or any recent postees in particlyar
Personally, I wish him the best of luck and hope he gets a feel for what the RAF is about - *that's* what he's doing it for, you
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It's very easy to selectively quote QR's as and when it suits. By way of an example, I spent less than five minutes finding this:
5.189. Guidance on the responsibilities of commanding officers for the physical fitness of the officers and soldiers
under their command is contained in Individual Training Directives (Army) (Army Code No 71209), Part 1, Section 2 -
Physical Fitness Training. It is to be noted that swimming training is compulsory for all officers and soldiers of the
regular army. The rules and regulations covering those games, sports and recreational activities which are recognised in
the army are laid down in `Games and Sports in the Army'. Adventurous training is to be encouraged. Guidance is given
in Army General and Administrative Instructions, Volume 1, Chapter 11.
I have not had swimming trg since I left trg as 17 year old over 20 years ago!
A bit random maybe, but my point is, that in less than five minutes I was able to Google, scan read and copy a paragraph from QR's that is clearly not being implemented and yet no outcry on PPRune.
Quoting QR's for something like HRH's trg strikes me as trying to find something to complain about when there really is nothing to complain about. I mean, has he taken somebody else's place? Will the SOTR for 2008 be reduced by one to allow his trg to take place. I think not. Get over yourselves, you're making yourselves out to be ignorant idiots.
5.189. Guidance on the responsibilities of commanding officers for the physical fitness of the officers and soldiers
under their command is contained in Individual Training Directives (Army) (Army Code No 71209), Part 1, Section 2 -
Physical Fitness Training. It is to be noted that swimming training is compulsory for all officers and soldiers of the
regular army. The rules and regulations covering those games, sports and recreational activities which are recognised in
the army are laid down in `Games and Sports in the Army'. Adventurous training is to be encouraged. Guidance is given
in Army General and Administrative Instructions, Volume 1, Chapter 11.
I have not had swimming trg since I left trg as 17 year old over 20 years ago!
A bit random maybe, but my point is, that in less than five minutes I was able to Google, scan read and copy a paragraph from QR's that is clearly not being implemented and yet no outcry on PPRune.
Quoting QR's for something like HRH's trg strikes me as trying to find something to complain about when there really is nothing to complain about. I mean, has he taken somebody else's place? Will the SOTR for 2008 be reduced by one to allow his trg to take place. I think not. Get over yourselves, you're making yourselves out to be ignorant idiots.