Military hospitals, Gordo's reply.
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What the f#ck is the point of the petitions site?
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To try to diffuse and distract you lot, so you won't get up and organize your friends, family, and neighbors to vote the b@$turds out of office.
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as far as i remember this argument was put forward and rejected by the royal colleges. However most military hospitals near the end were filled with NHS patients anyway.
To be honest i don't think the argument stands up the current system was designed to train doctors and medical staff for ops they should therefore be in trauma centres around the UK not the district general hospitals most of the MDHU's are located in.
A few other solutions could work better re open the military hospital for nursing and professions allied to medicine and keep a strong link with the major hospitals and don't employ doctors as full time forces have them as TA/RNR/RAFR/Aux and employ them on an FTRS basis but support them in their continuing medical training as a retainer and a lever to get them to go operational and let them be out in the big NHS.
To be honest i don't think the argument stands up the current system was designed to train doctors and medical staff for ops they should therefore be in trauma centres around the UK not the district general hospitals most of the MDHU's are located in.
A few other solutions could work better re open the military hospital for nursing and professions allied to medicine and keep a strong link with the major hospitals and don't employ doctors as full time forces have them as TA/RNR/RAFR/Aux and employ them on an FTRS basis but support them in their continuing medical training as a retainer and a lever to get them to go operational and let them be out in the big NHS.
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Hmmmm its that good it has the highest rates of MSRA in the UK. The burns unit has an outbreak at the minute!!
Gordon you tight monkey splash the cash for what our lads and lasses deserve!
Hmmmm its that good it has the highest rates of MSRA in the UK. The burns unit has an outbreak at the minute!!
Gordon you tight monkey splash the cash for what our lads and lasses deserve!
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I gather the RAF have a military hospital on Cyprus but iirc it is seldom used. The likelihood is that it will close in the not-too-distant future which will mean the staff will be distributed to places where their skills are better used...like the front, for example!
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last time it closed it was demolished 24 hrs before Q8 was invaded. I would say most of the staff will redeploy to UK and many will go on tour but many won't be able to due to other comitments like families continuing professional education etc
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Yes but how many of the people with MRSA in selly oak or any hospital had it before they were admitted? MRSA is usually diagnosed in hospital and the patients have had it for a long time before they come in. Which is why GP's are fighting desperatley to stop pre admission screening programmes for booked patients.
4F & NURSE, during the fight to retain services at DKMH Catterick, DSCA, PCT, and the hospital itself were unable to provide figures for civilians treated there. The only people who were able to produce a figure were the the British Legion who provided details of veteran referrals. Bearing in mind this was, and still is, Europes largest garrison I find it strange that civilian patients should outnumber serving personnel. Rather odd that the facts are now ignored to suit circumstance.
In fact should you need a hospital site DKMH still sits relatively intact. Just think how HM Forces carbon footprint could be reduced by doing away with all those vehicles trundling up and down to MDHU Northallerton and treating personnel within reasonable walking distance of their workplace.
It seems to me that the one hospital would should have kept was Wroughton. It was close to Brize/Lyneham and the M4 so could be used to receive and stabilize aeromed patients and then road move then to NHS hospitals around the country. It would also provide a logical home base for aeromed teams - or is this too simplistic?
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The hospital all the Medical services wanted to keep was Wroughton but the comittee that decided was chaired by a Royal Navy officer (Non Medical) hence Haslar.
When Cambridge Military Hospital closed for the 1st Gulf war Hampshire NHS panicked as it had lost a huge ammount of surplus bed capicity and Frimley park went into permenant bed crisis.
QEMH in woolwich also took a large number of civvies from the surrounding area and CMH was Aldershots hospital.
The MDHU concept was based on Musgrave Park in Belfast but unlike Musgrave Park the wards in the MDHU's were fully integreated into the hospital and counted on the NHS's available beds the treatment of service personell wasn't even mentioned in the inital contract. All the MDHU hospitals are paid up front for beds used by the MoD and there is a minimum comitment I think it was 10,000 bed nights/ year which the Mod were only getting a fraction of and the MDHU hospitals were pocketing the rest supposidly for a slush fund to cover contingences like the military staff being deployed like what happened on Tellic when the MDHU hospitals went screaming to the govt for more money to cover the loss of staff. they wanted £5,000,000 a week.
Now do service men and women get a good service no. Will we ever see independant military hospitals again probably not. An ideal solution would be a site in the centre of the country with air facilities and large storage facilities, areas for building a hospital, accomidation/messes/quarter patch and move all the field hospital units onto it along with the bulk of the nursing and PAMS and post doctors in and out of the NHS. Leave a military/NHS laison team in the main hospitals near garrison areas and orginise a decent PTS system to move patients to and from the hospital. Also allow PAM's to move into and ot of the NHS to gain experience/qualifications.
Had heard a few rumours about a proposed site in the midlands currently an RAF base.
DKH its fine for units in the Yorkshire area to say DKH would be ideal however what about those round Salisbury Plain, Colchester, or the RN dockyards Catterick isn't the easiest place to get to. Even some of the units based in Yorkshire will take their sick and injured to closer hospitals than North Allerton.
When Cambridge Military Hospital closed for the 1st Gulf war Hampshire NHS panicked as it had lost a huge ammount of surplus bed capicity and Frimley park went into permenant bed crisis.
QEMH in woolwich also took a large number of civvies from the surrounding area and CMH was Aldershots hospital.
The MDHU concept was based on Musgrave Park in Belfast but unlike Musgrave Park the wards in the MDHU's were fully integreated into the hospital and counted on the NHS's available beds the treatment of service personell wasn't even mentioned in the inital contract. All the MDHU hospitals are paid up front for beds used by the MoD and there is a minimum comitment I think it was 10,000 bed nights/ year which the Mod were only getting a fraction of and the MDHU hospitals were pocketing the rest supposidly for a slush fund to cover contingences like the military staff being deployed like what happened on Tellic when the MDHU hospitals went screaming to the govt for more money to cover the loss of staff. they wanted £5,000,000 a week.
Now do service men and women get a good service no. Will we ever see independant military hospitals again probably not. An ideal solution would be a site in the centre of the country with air facilities and large storage facilities, areas for building a hospital, accomidation/messes/quarter patch and move all the field hospital units onto it along with the bulk of the nursing and PAMS and post doctors in and out of the NHS. Leave a military/NHS laison team in the main hospitals near garrison areas and orginise a decent PTS system to move patients to and from the hospital. Also allow PAM's to move into and ot of the NHS to gain experience/qualifications.
Had heard a few rumours about a proposed site in the midlands currently an RAF base.
DKH its fine for units in the Yorkshire area to say DKH would be ideal however what about those round Salisbury Plain, Colchester, or the RN dockyards Catterick isn't the easiest place to get to. Even some of the units based in Yorkshire will take their sick and injured to closer hospitals than North Allerton.
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Yep, the rumours about what is currently a Midlands RAF station are rather sad considering it used to have a hospital on site up until 1978.Bearing in mind the "slimming down" of services at Northallerton it is little wonder that units divert patients elsewhere. Remind me now, is patient diversion not one of the things that brought about the demise of DKMH?
