2007 Puma Crash, Enquiry and Inquest (Merged)
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Thats all very well Climebear, but who in the police has the expertise to determine the cause of an air crash? And surely without a cause, they cannot say if it was due to criminal action, especially if 3rd party action has been ruled out?
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The Police can draw on a whole range of expertise from outside - this aircraft incident is no different (in this aspect) from a fatal civilian aircraft incident and, from an investigative view point, similar to, say, a train crash.
This expertise can come from military sources as well.
The key point is that it remains a Police investigation until the time that they (or the Procurator Fiscal in Scotland) are content that there is no evidence of a crime.
This expertise can come from military sources as well.
The key point is that it remains a Police investigation until the time that they (or the Procurator Fiscal in Scotland) are content that there is no evidence of a crime.
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Sorry Climebear I was assuming that the RAF/AIB crash investigation teams were part of the BOI and as such had been withdrawn I stand corrected, thanks. 
Following an initial investigation by the Board of Inquiry, the Convening Authority has decided that the Board of Inquiry should be suspended at this stage pending further investigation by the North Yorkshire civilian police authorities
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Whatever!
I feel that as this thread will be being read by the families, then this is no place for such discussion. We have lost THREE fine young men. The subsequent investigations are irrelevent as they will not bring these people back, and as for the media reporting that the helicopter was coming in to fast to land, then who the hell can vouch for that with any degree of authority.
Further condolences to the families, please ignore this claptrap. I know for one that your sons/partners were the best trained in the world, and having flown the same aircraft, I can also tell you that they absolutely loved their job, the young soldier included. RIP see you in the big bar in the sky later lads.
I feel that as this thread will be being read by the families, then this is no place for such discussion. We have lost THREE fine young men. The subsequent investigations are irrelevent as they will not bring these people back, and as for the media reporting that the helicopter was coming in to fast to land, then who the hell can vouch for that with any degree of authority.
Further condolences to the families, please ignore this claptrap. I know for one that your sons/partners were the best trained in the world, and having flown the same aircraft, I can also tell you that they absolutely loved their job, the young soldier included. RIP see you in the big bar in the sky later lads.
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I must agree, this is no place for this sort of discussion, or leading any ideas, some which may be based on fact and experance, but none the less, the press look at such forums and it leads to all sorts of rubbish been broadcast. I think this talk is for one to one converstions, not for the public forum, where anyone can see it!!
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Funny how some peoples ears seem to prick up when they think they hear of a scandle. To those people I say sod off, those men were hero's and i know for a fact were incredibly professional aircrew. To the boys who died, RIP, we'll meet again. To the surviving boys down the back i wish you a speedy recovery, and to bobby its a long road mate, but im with you every step of the way.
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I always wonder if the statement;
...is actually true.
Is it part of the visiting officers brief, 'Sorry Mr/Mrs Xxxx ..... Oh! And by the way, if you want to know any more please log onto www.pprune.org'
Somehow, I would like to think that my comrades' family and friends would have more on their minds than an internet forum, that by its own name is run on rumour, speculation and simple interference!
If information from here is being passed onto the families by ppruners, then surely they are the ones at fault.
I feel that as this thread will be being read by the families, then this is no place for such discussion.
Is it part of the visiting officers brief, 'Sorry Mr/Mrs Xxxx ..... Oh! And by the way, if you want to know any more please log onto www.pprune.org'
Somehow, I would like to think that my comrades' family and friends would have more on their minds than an internet forum, that by its own name is run on rumour, speculation and simple interference!
If information from here is being passed onto the families by ppruners, then surely they are the ones at fault.
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Sorry Scooby, It was just a simple question. 
By the way perhaps you should have bothered to RTFQ in the first place.
As you clearly have difficulty in understanding, the question simplified was, 'Is it true to say that as families read this thread, this is no place for discussion?'
As the meerkat on TV says....simples.
p.s. No bully boy capitals from me, simplescoobs! Maybe I happen to know more 'facts' than you are privvy to.
By the way perhaps you should have bothered to RTFQ in the first place.
As you clearly have difficulty in understanding, the question simplified was, 'Is it true to say that as families read this thread, this is no place for discussion?'
As the meerkat on TV says....simples.
p.s. No bully boy capitals from me, simplescoobs! Maybe I happen to know more 'facts' than you are privvy to.
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...and then the bully boy scooby303 deleted his bullying shouty post and hid under a rock.
In future scoopypoo, practise what you preach!
Oh, I see you did!
In future scoopypoo, practise what you preach!
Oh, I see you did!
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Dear Mr SilsoeSid,
Firstly I think I should apologize for "rant" yesterday morning! However let’s not make this a pi**ing contest. I am man enough to say sorry when needs be.
Secondly I did not delete my thread so thank for the "scoobypoo" and other mature references. .
Thirdly, let’s not forget what this thread is about. 3 people taken from us in their prime and how we remember them!
Let’s just leave it at that shall we?
Firstly I think I should apologize for "rant" yesterday morning! However let’s not make this a pi**ing contest. I am man enough to say sorry when needs be.
Secondly I did not delete my thread so thank for the "scoobypoo" and other mature references. .
Thirdly, let’s not forget what this thread is about. 3 people taken from us in their prime and how we remember them!
Let’s just leave it at that shall we?
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North Yorkshire Police issued a statement in March:
North Yorkshire Police : RAF Helicopter Crash August 2007
North Yorkshire Police : RAF Helicopter Crash August 2007
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I think that most people who need to know, know why the SIB, Police, MOD Plod etc etc were involved in this tragic accident. If you don't know why they were involved then you don;t need to know.
The correct proccess has been applied, the Police investigated and submitted their investigation to the CPS who in turn decided that there was no benefit in proceeding with the case any further. The inquest will be held IDC and until that is made public (if it ever is) then we should leave it at that. This accident is very sensitive so lets just leave it alone and wait until the inquest is held.
The correct proccess has been applied, the Police investigated and submitted their investigation to the CPS who in turn decided that there was no benefit in proceeding with the case any further. The inquest will be held IDC and until that is made public (if it ever is) then we should leave it at that. This accident is very sensitive so lets just leave it alone and wait until the inquest is held.
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VecVec, firstly I wholeheartedly agree with your comments.
However, if the system is ever to maintain (regain?) the faith of a wider audience, it must be able to explain, with absolute clarity, why certain elements need to be treat with sensitivity. There are other crashes where a lack of transparency has created great speculation (and possibly more damage) that the truth would have. As an ex-military man I stand by the "need to know" principle. Like you, I await the outcome of the BOI and any inquest.
However, if the system is ever to maintain (regain?) the faith of a wider audience, it must be able to explain, with absolute clarity, why certain elements need to be treat with sensitivity. There are other crashes where a lack of transparency has created great speculation (and possibly more damage) that the truth would have. As an ex-military man I stand by the "need to know" principle. Like you, I await the outcome of the BOI and any inquest.
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VVHA - Very succint, well said.
The Coroners Inquest will be taking place in the Autumn. Inquests are always held in public, but never produce a report, just a verdict. However, as it is held in public, the press are free to report it all.
The Coroners Inquest will be taking place in the Autumn. Inquests are always held in public, but never produce a report, just a verdict. However, as it is held in public, the press are free to report it all.
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Well it was our VO that did tell us about pprune a few days after the Nimrod crash, to look at the condolences thread. But we did look at the technical thread as well.
I printed off all the condolences thread and we did get some comfort from it. As for the technical thread I am sure you all know how useful that proved to be.
Sorry to butt in to this thread but I needed to say it.
Is it part of the visiting officers brief, 'Sorry Mr/Mrs Xxxx ..... Oh! And by the way, if you want to know any more please log onto www.pprune.org'
I printed off all the condolences thread and we did get some comfort from it. As for the technical thread I am sure you all know how useful that proved to be.
Sorry to butt in to this thread but I needed to say it.