Aircraft Carriers may use Typhoon
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Does anyone subscribe to the 'They work for you' alert service?
Being the saddo that I am, I get notified whenever 'Royal/Air/Force' is mentioned in The House. I got an e-mail earlier with this as one of the links;
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debate...3A10160#g879.3
It seems that my turncoat MP has been sucking up to the Frogs. His constituents at Cottesmore will be especially pleased. Broone doesn't rule out the possibility though.
Being the saddo that I am, I get notified whenever 'Royal/Air/Force' is mentioned in The House. I got an e-mail earlier with this as one of the links;
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debate...3A10160#g879.3
It seems that my turncoat MP has been sucking up to the Frogs. His constituents at Cottesmore will be especially pleased. Broone doesn't rule out the possibility though.
But probably only because 'Buy an aircraft from those French 
s?Have you gone completely ing mad?' would constitute unparliamentary language...
What sort of tech transfer does Quentin Turncoat think Dassault would provide?
s?Have you gone completely ing mad?' would constitute unparliamentary language...What sort of tech transfer does Quentin Turncoat think Dassault would provide?
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Personally I'd look at those awfully nice foreign chappies from up north.
Bae own Saab, I believe, so why not navalise Gripen? It's already stressed for no-flare landings and, according to some sources, has carried out deck landings - iff only in the Gripen simulator . . .
"The canard foreplanes can be tilted almost 90 degrees to act as airbrakes on landing. There are carbon brakes on all the wheels of the tricycle landing gear to reduce landing roll. Interestingly, pilots using the Gripen flight simulators have performed simulated carrier landings, without an arresting hook; it seems a bit unlikely that this will ever be done in practice, though no doubt some Gripen pilots would give it a shot if they got the chance. The landing gear has an antiskid system. The two-wheel nose gear retracts backward, while the single-wheel main gear retract at a forward angle"
http://www.vectorsite.net/avgripen.html
Bae own Saab, I believe, so why not navalise Gripen? It's already stressed for no-flare landings and, according to some sources, has carried out deck landings - iff only in the Gripen simulator . . .
"The canard foreplanes can be tilted almost 90 degrees to act as airbrakes on landing. There are carbon brakes on all the wheels of the tricycle landing gear to reduce landing roll. Interestingly, pilots using the Gripen flight simulators have performed simulated carrier landings, without an arresting hook; it seems a bit unlikely that this will ever be done in practice, though no doubt some Gripen pilots would give it a shot if they got the chance. The landing gear has an antiskid system. The two-wheel nose gear retracts backward, while the single-wheel main gear retract at a forward angle"
http://www.vectorsite.net/avgripen.html
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Silly, Silly, Silly
Chaps, and chappessses, I think your missing the point. They said a naval variant of the Typhoon to go on the carrier. Who said it had to fly? Why not just line them up along the deck and get tractors to tow them to those stenna aircraft lift things. You could even sail around and move them around on deck a bit. Perhaps hide some below decks, nautical term for you, during satellite passes to make sure other countries think they actually fly.
In fact, this has merit! We could put heaters in them to make them show up on IR - I think it might actually work. The Navy get their carriers, it looks like a common type throughout the forces - savings - wow we could save billions. Yes indeed they promised a carrier and have delivered. They promised it would have aircraft - and delivered. Ticks every box me thinks.
And anyway, if you really wanted to fly surely you'd just put a few of those model airplanes on board - sorry UAVs I think is the term?
In fact, this has merit! We could put heaters in them to make them show up on IR - I think it might actually work. The Navy get their carriers, it looks like a common type throughout the forces - savings - wow we could save billions. Yes indeed they promised a carrier and have delivered. They promised it would have aircraft - and delivered. Ticks every box me thinks.
And anyway, if you really wanted to fly surely you'd just put a few of those model airplanes on board - sorry UAVs I think is the term?
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Bit old now but got this from that well known US publication Avionics Magazine (Jacko prob knows it)
Tuesday, July 3, 2007
F-35C Hits Milestone
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</H2>The U.S. Navy's F-35C Lightning II carrier variant completed its Air System Critical Design Review (CDR). The review was conducted in June at lead contractor Lockheed Martin’s Forth Worth, Texas, facility, and involved officials from Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR), the Joint Strike Fighter Program Office, the F-35 international-participant nations and the F-35 contractor team. Completion of the CDR is a prerequisite for the F-35C to move into Low Rate Initial Production. "We met our objectives for detailed design and performance while removing more than 200 pounds from the aircraft in the past seven months –– a major accomplishment,” said Terry Harrell, Lockheed Martin director of F-35 carrier variant development. The F-35C is designed to replace the F/A-18 Hornet and complement the newer F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. While it shares the fundamental design of the F-35A (conventional takeoff and landing) and F-35B (short takeoff/vertical landing), the F-35C is specialized for catapult launches and arrested recoveries on large aircraft carriers. It features 30 percent more wing area than the other two variants, larger tail and control surfaces, and wingtip ailerons. The U.S. Air Force requires 1,763 F-35As, scheduled for delivery beginning in 2010. The U.S. Marine Corps and Navy together are planning to operate 680 F-35Bs and F-35Cs. The United Kingdom plans to place 138 F-35Bs into service with the Royal Air Force and Royal Navy. The remaining F-35 participant countries plan to acquire more than 700 aircraft.
Tuesday, July 3, 2007
F-35C Hits Milestone
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</H2>The U.S. Navy's F-35C Lightning II carrier variant completed its Air System Critical Design Review (CDR). The review was conducted in June at lead contractor Lockheed Martin’s Forth Worth, Texas, facility, and involved officials from Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR), the Joint Strike Fighter Program Office, the F-35 international-participant nations and the F-35 contractor team. Completion of the CDR is a prerequisite for the F-35C to move into Low Rate Initial Production. "We met our objectives for detailed design and performance while removing more than 200 pounds from the aircraft in the past seven months –– a major accomplishment,” said Terry Harrell, Lockheed Martin director of F-35 carrier variant development. The F-35C is designed to replace the F/A-18 Hornet and complement the newer F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. While it shares the fundamental design of the F-35A (conventional takeoff and landing) and F-35B (short takeoff/vertical landing), the F-35C is specialized for catapult launches and arrested recoveries on large aircraft carriers. It features 30 percent more wing area than the other two variants, larger tail and control surfaces, and wingtip ailerons. The U.S. Air Force requires 1,763 F-35As, scheduled for delivery beginning in 2010. The U.S. Marine Corps and Navy together are planning to operate 680 F-35Bs and F-35Cs. The United Kingdom plans to place 138 F-35Bs into service with the Royal Air Force and Royal Navy. The remaining F-35 participant countries plan to acquire more than 700 aircraft.
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Note the article mentions " Thrust vectoring, already being planned for the Typhoon, coupled with a high-lift wing design,".
OK, last I had heard, TVC has been dropped... and do you really want to make an entire new wing design?
OK, last I had heard, TVC has been dropped... and do you really want to make an entire new wing design?
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I think it might interest you :
http://navy-matters.beedall.com/jca1-1.htm (very interesting link) :
EDIT : I deleted the quote, as Jackonicko had already written the same things.
Jack ? Were you the author ?
Interesting pics, though.
Regards,
TMor
http://navy-matters.beedall.com/jca1-1.htm (very interesting link) :
EDIT : I deleted the quote, as Jackonicko had already written the same things.
Jack ? Were you the author ?
Interesting pics, though.
Regards,
TMor
Last edited by TMor; 31st Jul 2007 at 10:46.
Trouble with STOBAR is that it's the worst of both worlds in terms of deck management. You have a massive take off run (like STOVL), but also a large recovery area (like CTOL), so while you may save money on cats and nose-tow strengthening, your sortie gen goes down, because your post recovery parking becomes a nightmare for any decent sized package. You also lose a considerable amount of deck park with the ramp.
As for using canards as airbrakes, non-starter - what's the first thing you do on touching the deck in a conventional recovery?
As for using canards as airbrakes, non-starter - what's the first thing you do on touching the deck in a conventional recovery?
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Typhoon: The name for a tropical cyclone with sustained winds of 74 miles per hour (65 knots) or greater in the western North Pacific Ocean. This same tropical cyclone is known as a hurricane in the eastern North Pacific and North Atlantic Ocean, and as a cyclone in the Indian Ocean.
Since a Typhoon is already a maritime phenomenon surely we should rename the current Typhoon the Land Typhoon....
Since a Typhoon is already a maritime phenomenon surely we should rename the current Typhoon the Land Typhoon....
