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Thanks for some more corking advice, alwayslookingup. The point of the leafletting / canvassing campaign is to try to get more locals to write letters of support as we assume they would carry more weight with the committee than letters from outsiders. Is that not the case?
AT - Point taken about the leafletting and local publicity but would advise the leaflets simply deal with facts and not emotion.
Tigs2 - by all means if you wish to repost mine on ARRSE please do so
Cargosales - thanks for the info and images of No 36. All I can say is, looking at the pictures, "What's the b*****y problem?!" Is it because some of the potential guests may not be relatives of 'hofficers'?! (Ooops, getting emotional now).
Rgds to one and all on this glorious morning in North Britain.
Tigs2 - by all means if you wish to repost mine on ARRSE please do so
Cargosales - thanks for the info and images of No 36. All I can say is, looking at the pictures, "What's the b*****y problem?!" Is it because some of the potential guests may not be relatives of 'hofficers'?! (Ooops, getting emotional now).
Rgds to one and all on this glorious morning in North Britain.
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I took the liberty of sending your post to the 'Spokesman' by private means as I think it would make a great backbone to the verbal representation at the meeting.
You must be further North than me - a tad dreich in the capital! I was reading yesterday that this rain is being caused by El Ninio having shifted the Atlantic jetstream further South than normal. It seems the Western Isles have been basking in near-tropical sunshine for some months. To cheer those of us 'doon sooth' up, here's the beach at Bernaray:
I took the liberty of sending your post to the 'Spokesman' by private means as I think it would make a great backbone to the verbal representation at the meeting.
You must be further North than me - a tad dreich in the capital! I was reading yesterday that this rain is being caused by El Ninio having shifted the Atlantic jetstream further South than normal. It seems the Western Isles have been basking in near-tropical sunshine for some months. To cheer those of us 'doon sooth' up, here's the beach at Bernaray:
If the area was flooded, would the locals refuse help from the military ??? or claim that this is what we pay our taxes for ???
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Update
Just to keep everyone up to speed with what's happening:
Today (Wednesday 25th), the Blue Team started leafletting and knocking on doors in Ashtead.
One of the guys there, jack-daniels, posted this on ARRSE a short while ago:
"Points from today:
1. 99.99% of the people we spoke to in the street are in favour of SSAFA buying the house for the purpose of family visits.
2. One bloke we spoke to knows the main objector and called him ''an utter cnut''!
3. One person asked us tongue in cheek if we were from ''that scurillous website!''
4. We spoke to the lady who owns number 36, I will not put her comments on here due to Red Team sneaking in.
5. After we gave people leaflets a lot of them came back and asked us all about it.
6. A couple of people did ask why the house wasn't being built in Headley Court so we told them the reasons
7. The residents of Haig Homes, a spit away from No 36 are all favour.
8. A lot of people used swear words when talking about the objectors, we didn't!
9. One resident of Grays Lane didn't even know people were objecting to the proposal!
I'm sure the other guys will add more to this but thanks to Saintstone. The Snake and Sven. It was a pleasure if not a bit wet towards the end but the lady from Help the Aged charity shop gave us two brollies to use! "
...End...
Well done guys
Also today, I had a telephone conversation with Part Time Pongo from ARRSE who is co-ordinating the whole campaign. He's very much on top of things, including organising people to speak on behalf of Blue Team at the Mole Valley District Council meeting on 1st August when the matter will be discussed.
PTP is also on top of lobbying, some of which is at a very high level indeed! There are several other initiatives underway but details are being kept under wraps as Red Team are known to be reading these pages
*hello Red Team*
The one thing which PTP and everyone on ARRSE is insistent on though is that we retain the moral high ground. This means please guys, no personal attacks on, or indeed any contact with, individual objectors and doing nothing which could be used by them to undermine our position. They sank to personal lows with some of their objections but let's not join them there.
In other news, the Ashtead Residents Association appears to be softening its stance which, if correct, is great news.
And, even better, today the petition http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Headley/ went through the 10,000 signature barrier. This is good news because that is the number at which 'the powers that be' start to pay serious attention to an issue. The more the better though so if you haven't then sign now! But only once please - can't have Red Team crying foul over a silly thing like enthusiasm.
That's it for the moment but I'll update when I can add more.
CS
Today (Wednesday 25th), the Blue Team started leafletting and knocking on doors in Ashtead.
One of the guys there, jack-daniels, posted this on ARRSE a short while ago:
"Points from today:
1. 99.99% of the people we spoke to in the street are in favour of SSAFA buying the house for the purpose of family visits.
2. One bloke we spoke to knows the main objector and called him ''an utter cnut''!
3. One person asked us tongue in cheek if we were from ''that scurillous website!''
4. We spoke to the lady who owns number 36, I will not put her comments on here due to Red Team sneaking in.
5. After we gave people leaflets a lot of them came back and asked us all about it.
6. A couple of people did ask why the house wasn't being built in Headley Court so we told them the reasons
7. The residents of Haig Homes, a spit away from No 36 are all favour.
8. A lot of people used swear words when talking about the objectors, we didn't!
9. One resident of Grays Lane didn't even know people were objecting to the proposal!
I'm sure the other guys will add more to this but thanks to Saintstone. The Snake and Sven. It was a pleasure if not a bit wet towards the end but the lady from Help the Aged charity shop gave us two brollies to use! "
...End...
Well done guys
Also today, I had a telephone conversation with Part Time Pongo from ARRSE who is co-ordinating the whole campaign. He's very much on top of things, including organising people to speak on behalf of Blue Team at the Mole Valley District Council meeting on 1st August when the matter will be discussed.
PTP is also on top of lobbying, some of which is at a very high level indeed! There are several other initiatives underway but details are being kept under wraps as Red Team are known to be reading these pages
*hello Red Team*The one thing which PTP and everyone on ARRSE is insistent on though is that we retain the moral high ground. This means please guys, no personal attacks on, or indeed any contact with, individual objectors and doing nothing which could be used by them to undermine our position. They sank to personal lows with some of their objections but let's not join them there.
In other news, the Ashtead Residents Association appears to be softening its stance which, if correct, is great news.
And, even better, today the petition http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Headley/ went through the 10,000 signature barrier. This is good news because that is the number at which 'the powers that be' start to pay serious attention to an issue. The more the better though so if you haven't then sign now! But only once please - can't have Red Team crying foul over a silly thing like enthusiasm.
That's it for the moment but I'll update when I can add more.
CS
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Bit of a boing, but standing at 12,327 at the mo, and I have added my name to this petition, Would the residents there want us, HM Forces to drop sand-bags and water off etc.. if their dining room/smoking lounges were under threat from flooding.. I think so.. Looking back through the thread there has been some fantistic work done, keep it up. I am sure that all members of HM Forces agree it is a facility that is needed, but in a hope that we will never have to use.
Safe Home to all
Zofo and family
Safe Home to all
Zofo and family
I found this quite interesting:
Following the letter of objection where he mentions
and
Hypocrisy and money grabbing are words that spring to mind.
I suppose being in private equity there is no honour or ethic apart from screwing as much money as they can. He would much prefer, rather than using an established charity to set a facility up near to his prized residence, that some of his equity chums bankroll a PFI that can screw the government ie the taxpayer for the next 25 years.
SJ
It was necessary to remove a link because it directly 'attacks' an objector. A tactic that is, without doubt, counter productive.
Edited to discuss with mods:
Sorry that you found this to be an attack but i am merely reporting what is in the public domain, via a little bit of googlework. I thought I was being very restrained
SJ
a bullying approach
whatever the cost to the local community
As 2006 draws to a close it sems like an appropriate time to reflect on the past year and look forward to the future.
2006 looks like being another record year for private equity investment into the healthcare sector in the UK, with over £4.5 billion worth of deals completed at the time of writing and a good chance of hitting the £5 billion target by the year end
2006 looks like being another record year for private equity investment into the healthcare sector in the UK, with over £4.5 billion worth of deals completed at the time of writing and a good chance of hitting the £5 billion target by the year end
I suppose being in private equity there is no honour or ethic apart from screwing as much money as they can. He would much prefer, rather than using an established charity to set a facility up near to his prized residence, that some of his equity chums bankroll a PFI that can screw the government ie the taxpayer for the next 25 years.
SJ
It was necessary to remove a link because it directly 'attacks' an objector. A tactic that is, without doubt, counter productive.
Edited to discuss with mods:
Sorry that you found this to be an attack but i am merely reporting what is in the public domain, via a little bit of googlework. I thought I was being very restrained
SJ
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Slop Jockey,
Excellent post and first class int. gathering mate.
Well doesn't this say it all!
The more I read of these self serving t@ss pots the more bl@@dy angry I get.
Let's just hope the planning committe see these objections for what they are - a way to make money out of other peoples misery and a case of terminal NIMBYism.
Does that just about fit the bill Red Team?
Per Ardua
Excellent post and first class int. gathering mate.
Well doesn't this say it all!
The more I read of these self serving t@ss pots the more bl@@dy angry I get.
Let's just hope the planning committe see these objections for what they are - a way to make money out of other peoples misery and a case of terminal NIMBYism.
Does that just about fit the bill Red Team?
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Of all the posts I've ever read or followed on this site, none have gripped my interest or determination as much as this one. Some of the posts are little short of superb, so well researched and very professionally put together. There are a group of 25 of us here who are following your progress and whilst we can do little more than sign the petition and write all the letters (due to the distance involved)- rest assured there are many people who are willing you on and wish you/SAFFA all you deserve on the 1st - courage will prevail, as will justice.
These low life objectors do not deserve to get their way, anyone with the simplest of common sense, who looks at this application without any form of bias or pre judgement must allow it through. Any other result would be a real travesty.
Keep going folks, your day is soon
These low life objectors do not deserve to get their way, anyone with the simplest of common sense, who looks at this application without any form of bias or pre judgement must allow it through. Any other result would be a real travesty.
Keep going folks, your day is soon
Mods,
I posted on this thread earlier to day and it hasn't appeared. Any idea why?
Rgds.
I suggest you post again. There is nothing hung up..........cyberspace has struck again.
I posted on this thread earlier to day and it hasn't appeared. Any idea why?
Rgds.
I suggest you post again. There is nothing hung up..........cyberspace has struck again.
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Always, are you sure? You said it hadn't appeared as opposed to being puled.
Sometimes between composing and pressing send my connection has dropped. Unless you saw the screen refesh and return to the thread and display your post then you did not post it.
Sometimes between composing and pressing send my connection has dropped. Unless you saw the screen refesh and return to the thread and display your post then you did not post it.
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Chaps,
If the words sucking and eggs come to mind please forgive me, however, I have been present at 3 Planning Application meetings where each side was given 3 minutes to put their case forward. In each case, the speaker who counted upon emotion and getting the council on his side due to hardship etc etc lost the case. Whoever is in touch with the guy from ARSE who is going to speak for us, can they please let him know. On each ocassion, the team that concentrated upon contradicting the evidence (traffic, noise, pollution etc) won the day. I know that they probably appreciate this fact but just thought they may like to know.
Mr-B
If the words sucking and eggs come to mind please forgive me, however, I have been present at 3 Planning Application meetings where each side was given 3 minutes to put their case forward. In each case, the speaker who counted upon emotion and getting the council on his side due to hardship etc etc lost the case. Whoever is in touch with the guy from ARSE who is going to speak for us, can they please let him know. On each ocassion, the team that concentrated upon contradicting the evidence (traffic, noise, pollution etc) won the day. I know that they probably appreciate this fact but just thought they may like to know.
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Mike,
Excellent poster and excellent site. I guess probably not but - do you have any objection to me hawking your pster around a number of service related bulletin boards that I've been keeping posted on the campaign?
Just thgought I'd better get your OK before hand.
Per Ardua
Excellent poster and excellent site. I guess probably not but - do you have any objection to me hawking your pster around a number of service related bulletin boards that I've been keeping posted on the campaign?
Just thgought I'd better get your OK before hand.
Per Ardua
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MJ, How's about posting it throughout Surrey's Royal British Legions?
Just picked this off their website:
[Surrey][The Legion is very active in the Surrey area, with 74 Branches, sub Branches, 37 Women's Sections and 35 Clubs, and 15,086 members around the county. The county offices are in Leatherhead, where the County Field Officer, County Field Administrator and County Secretary are based.]
Maybe already covered?
Just picked this off their website:
[Surrey][The Legion is very active in the Surrey area, with 74 Branches, sub Branches, 37 Women's Sections and 35 Clubs, and 15,086 members around the county. The county offices are in Leatherhead, where the County Field Officer, County Field Administrator and County Secretary are based.]
Maybe already covered?
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RE. Surrey British Legions,
I spoke to the Ashtead, Bookham/Effingham Branches and the Leatherhead County person last week and they support the cause and are letter writing etc....
Amazing support for this...
M5DND
I spoke to the Ashtead, Bookham/Effingham Branches and the Leatherhead County person last week and they support the cause and are letter writing etc....
Amazing support for this...
M5DND
Have sent an e-mail to the local BBC talk show host, Roger Phillips, hopefully he will read it out. Pointed out that, what SSAFA are proposing is the same concept as the Ronald McDonald House at Alder Hey hospital, where families can stay whilst someone is in the hospital for little or no cost. Also pointed out that service personnel locally are have been, are, and are preparing to deploy to operations in Iraq and Afghanistan ( opsec, noted in local press ) or in the flood relief work. Asked that ex service personnel look at the various web sites for which I have provided addresses including MVDC.
May get a reply or he could even contact local BBC in the area, who knows ???
Keep up the action. if i can help, if only by writing letters, please PM me.
Regards Air Pig
May get a reply or he could even contact local BBC in the area, who knows ???
Keep up the action. if i can help, if only by writing letters, please PM me.
Regards Air Pig
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I Was in contact with the RBL County Sec last week and he gave us the contacts in Ashtead. The legion boys are helping out with the leafletting campaign.
I see the petition is at 17,879 and seems to be moving at @ 400 per hour - great stuff!
I see the petition is at 17,879 and seems to be moving at @ 400 per hour - great stuff!