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I actually do believe you about your business.
Which makes it all the heartbreaking for you, that with all that going for you, you still cannot get over the inferiority complex about aircrew.
I mean, lets be honest, we are all the same really.
Apart from the fact that we are better looking, more charismatic, more attractive to the ladies, more highly paid, more skilled, more highly trained etc, there really is no difference, so lets be friends.
I actually do believe you about your business.
Which makes it all the heartbreaking for you, that with all that going for you, you still cannot get over the inferiority complex about aircrew.
I mean, lets be honest, we are all the same really.
Apart from the fact that we are better looking, more charismatic, more attractive to the ladies, more highly paid, more skilled, more highly trained etc, there really is no difference, so lets be friends.
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Don't really copy your banter. Are you suggesting we should get a salary comparable to that which could be earned outside and then receive sector pay or flight duty pay in addition? Splendid idea! Gets my vote! Thanks for suggesting it....now there's the door; make sure you don't get stuck....those chips protrude somewhat. I guess the £100k didn't tempt you to stay....oh, sorry.
Aircrew are leaving on the current system; sure, let's re-visit the'only pay them when they fly' argument, then see what happens. The Canadians do this (ie no flyingpay on ground tours), but then they pay pilots on a separate (pensionable) scale to others, much the same way as we do our doctors and lawyers.
Aircrew are leaving on the current system; sure, let's re-visit the'only pay them when they fly' argument, then see what happens. The Canadians do this (ie no flyingpay on ground tours), but then they pay pilots on a separate (pensionable) scale to others, much the same way as we do our doctors and lawyers.
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Do a search of Blogger's contributions to Pprune to see where he's coming from, like this advice to a young WSOp:
Do some PC and carry out a risk assessment.........it's old it fly's you die.
Do the maths look at Iraq young guys die on their first tour.
25 years gone and days to do I am getting out
Not staying like the few
You have a nice girlfriend look after her....
A dead hero or to be alive and enjoy your kids?
It is not worth the risk..........
Do the maths look at Iraq young guys die on their first tour.
25 years gone and days to do I am getting out
Not staying like the few
You have a nice girlfriend look after her....
A dead hero or to be alive and enjoy your kids?
It is not worth the risk..........
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Heres a thought Blog, as you are so rich, have only days to do and can happily put your fingers up at the system tell us who you are and where you are at then someone will come on and verify your assertions..................however as most of us who post on here can smell bullsh1t even over the ether I am not holding my breath waiting for your reply..........................
So why stay in if I earn more on the outside......... thats why i am getting out 5 years early ... to run my business 24/7 As for giving details out I dont care what you think after all this computer was VAT free and paid for by my business. Do think i care about anythink.............well yes I do giving respect back to the LAC's SAC's Cpl's Sgt's BELOW me who work damn hard.
Good luck .
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I really should know better but what the hell.....
Blogger - your very question indicates your ignorance.
I recall that some years ago a Flt Lt RAF Policeman had a letter published in Airclues along very similar lines. He was appalled at a previous letter in which a pilot lamented the burden of additional duties distracting him from his primary duties at a time when he was putting in 30+ hours a month.
Said Plod was disgusted, citing other officers that worked 30+ hours a WEEK. How we laughed - or would have, had we not held our heads in horror at how someone wearing the same uniform could have so little understanding of OUR core business. We invited Mr Plod to our secret base in Norfolk and he went away mightily impressed, honestly opining that we had 'a PR problem - people don't know how hard you work'.
So here we are again...
For your info - 30+ hours a month is a lot for a FJ sqn pilot. I would cautiously estimate that one sortie (about 1.5 hrs) takes about 5-6 hours from start plan to finish debrief, depending upon mission complexity and whether it is self-generated or exercise tasking. Fly twice = long day and no lunch. AAR leads to longer sorties but not a directly proportional increase to the mission cycle (e.g. 2.5 hrs aloft and a mission cycle of about 7-8 hours) Time alone is not adequate measure though as, if you were fortunate enough to witness it, you would be struck by the intensity of the environment. I have had the opportunity to fly many pax in my time - I advise them not to drive at the end of the day. They ALL go away physically and mentally exhausted and sleep like the dead.
Now let’s consider detachments/ops/exercises. Who do you think handles the administrative and logistical implications? No doubt your firm grasp of reality has a dedicated team parachuting in from STC/SHQ/Never-Never-Land to handle such a burden. Wrong. The Sqn sorts it out from within its existing resources. Which means that a pilot/nav will be detailed to be the Project Officer, who then delegates the myriad of detailed tasks to his colleagues. Without let up in training or tasking.
I am intrigued by your lack of respect for aircrew when you evidently know so little about them. You should, frankly, be ashamed that you have not made it your business to find out – and I mean in far more constructive ways than simply posting inflammatory threads on a public forum. Any Sqn, though busy, would make the effort to accommodate a genuine query relating to OUR core profession.
I am also appalled at my foolishness in responding and can only attribute it to being the end of a long (BH)day of OJARs – I hope the irony is not lost upon you but I fear I am wasting my breath….
Blogger - your very question indicates your ignorance.
I recall that some years ago a Flt Lt RAF Policeman had a letter published in Airclues along very similar lines. He was appalled at a previous letter in which a pilot lamented the burden of additional duties distracting him from his primary duties at a time when he was putting in 30+ hours a month.
Said Plod was disgusted, citing other officers that worked 30+ hours a WEEK. How we laughed - or would have, had we not held our heads in horror at how someone wearing the same uniform could have so little understanding of OUR core business. We invited Mr Plod to our secret base in Norfolk and he went away mightily impressed, honestly opining that we had 'a PR problem - people don't know how hard you work'.
So here we are again...
For your info - 30+ hours a month is a lot for a FJ sqn pilot. I would cautiously estimate that one sortie (about 1.5 hrs) takes about 5-6 hours from start plan to finish debrief, depending upon mission complexity and whether it is self-generated or exercise tasking. Fly twice = long day and no lunch. AAR leads to longer sorties but not a directly proportional increase to the mission cycle (e.g. 2.5 hrs aloft and a mission cycle of about 7-8 hours) Time alone is not adequate measure though as, if you were fortunate enough to witness it, you would be struck by the intensity of the environment. I have had the opportunity to fly many pax in my time - I advise them not to drive at the end of the day. They ALL go away physically and mentally exhausted and sleep like the dead.
Now let’s consider detachments/ops/exercises. Who do you think handles the administrative and logistical implications? No doubt your firm grasp of reality has a dedicated team parachuting in from STC/SHQ/Never-Never-Land to handle such a burden. Wrong. The Sqn sorts it out from within its existing resources. Which means that a pilot/nav will be detailed to be the Project Officer, who then delegates the myriad of detailed tasks to his colleagues. Without let up in training or tasking.
I am intrigued by your lack of respect for aircrew when you evidently know so little about them. You should, frankly, be ashamed that you have not made it your business to find out – and I mean in far more constructive ways than simply posting inflammatory threads on a public forum. Any Sqn, though busy, would make the effort to accommodate a genuine query relating to OUR core profession.
I am also appalled at my foolishness in responding and can only attribute it to being the end of a long (BH)day of OJARs – I hope the irony is not lost upon you but I fear I am wasting my breath….
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Maybe for the details of how many hours a week you spend on your second income then I could be persuaded to part with my flying hours weekly!
Most folks around where I am are working their @r*e* off just trying to do what needs to be done in the job that the tax payers pay them to do.
Most folks around where I am are working their @r*e* off just trying to do what needs to be done in the job that the tax payers pay them to do.
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You placed quite an emphasis on the word "below". What does that say about you? Maybe the need to feel important, or is it a simple demonstration of the inferiority complex you have had regarding aircrew over the last 25 years. Interesting.
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I spent from Nov to Mar receiving £40 (roughly that, don't know exactly - it's not important) per day flying pay and did 0, yes, that's zero flying hours.
£5240 ish.
Cheers easy.
But I WAS grounded due to injury. Gained in an Op theatre.
Blogger
Hrs vs pay is irrelevant. It's to do with our (mil) pay vs their (civvy) pay. If we didn't get paid the rates we do, few of us would have joined, fewer still would stay. Other trades get "bounties" too.
Now piss off out of here, take your business with you and stop being so bloody puerile.
£5240 ish.
Cheers easy.
But I WAS grounded due to injury. Gained in an Op theatre.
Blogger
Hrs vs pay is irrelevant. It's to do with our (mil) pay vs their (civvy) pay. If we didn't get paid the rates we do, few of us would have joined, fewer still would stay. Other trades get "bounties" too.
Now piss off out of here, take your business with you and stop being so bloody puerile.
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Good riddance to bad rubbish....
Can we tempt you to leave early blogger???
I replied to some of the crap you were inciting on the thread dealing with aircrew rationing.
You really are just a wind up merchant eh?
Best of luck on the other side though.
I replied to some of the crap you were inciting on the thread dealing with aircrew rationing.
You really are just a wind up merchant eh?
Best of luck on the other side though.
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Yes it would be interesting to see how many hours some aircrew fly!! I know of guys that are always away and work dam hard and others never seem to be at work at all. I agree pay the aircrew by the amount of hours flown. It has always been an issue with the ground trades but I don't think it would be such an issue if it was what it says FLYING PAY.
It is sad to see all this in house fighting lets face it everyone does a job each as important as the next man.
It is sad to see all this in house fighting lets face it everyone does a job each as important as the next man.
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Still no takers on the flying hours......... that FOI is going to go in..... watch this space.
Captain Kirk I respect your answer and thank you nice to see someone has roots.
Days to do............
As a last thought 'P&PPPPP' and that goes for civvy street as well plan your exit look after wife and kids.
Good night all see you at work.
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Captain Kirk I respect your answer and thank you nice to see someone has roots.
Days to do............
As a last thought 'P&PPPPP' and that goes for civvy street as well plan your exit look after wife and kids.
Good night all see you at work.
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...and I hope your business falls on it's arse...
Grow up big boy (sorry (person)) hope you learn a lot more like respect.
As I have said the last days in work for me is looking after the guys below me to the max........ not the ones above me.
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Crack on with that FOI request champ, make sure you actually read what it says though, since you seem incapable of doing so within this thread, where more than sufficient answers have been given to your query, in between the banter, not to mention disgust at your belligerent and supercilious attitude.
Since you seem to need it dumbing down further; 'Flying Pay' is a name, the pay is for the type of work, rather than the quantity thereof. It is (once more) for recruitment and retention. As a purported businessman, one would have expected you to understand the principle of supply and demand.
Since you seem to need it dumbing down further; 'Flying Pay' is a name, the pay is for the type of work, rather than the quantity thereof. It is (once more) for recruitment and retention. As a purported businessman, one would have expected you to understand the principle of supply and demand.
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Quote:
Surely past yor bed time
I think you are past your sell by date. I hope your English is better when you write their assessments.
Surely past yor bed time
I think you are past your sell by date. I hope your English is better when you write their assessments.
Well once again you all shine as one picking up minor mistakes and not seeing the full picture. Think i will wear odd socks to work and be charged as I once was by an officer when a low life JT. NON STANDARD ISSUE SOCKS. lol get a life and see the real world for once.
Wot next ........ bed packs.... at 06:30..