Intercepting Wandering Bears & Blackjacks Again (Merged)
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"Stats"
Indeed, very odd "low" numbers!
Better look in Norwegian newspapers - or why not ask the Russians themselves?
(They may still have funny hats, but the "Sky News" clip was not bad at all!)
Indeed, very odd "low" numbers!
Better look in Norwegian newspapers - or why not ask the Russians themselves?
(They may still have funny hats, but the "Sky News" clip was not bad at all!)
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Yeeees, it was in the news today as well. Again intercepted due west of Bardufoss. 
Air Force very open about it this year. Surly no correlation with the big reorganization bill (i.e closures) the parliament is voting on after new year!?
Air Force very open about it this year. Surly no correlation with the big reorganization bill (i.e closures) the parliament is voting on after new year!?
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Skippedonce, while its nice to think such information can be controlled sadly those days have passed. There are mailing lists around for the hobbyists who will happily post the tactical callsigns, vectoring information, interplane freqs etc.
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Open radio freqs & the fact that people do notice the odd F3 leaving its base late at night, not to mention the VC10 that may well have woken up everyone within a 2 mile radius!
That said, we should not be placing info on here whilst QRA Ops are ongoing. It may seem like unnecessary Opsec however, it is actually a mind set that should be applied to everything we do and a lapse here, could also become a lapse out in theatre.
It's not our little pink bodies in the jets.
That said, we should not be placing info on here whilst QRA Ops are ongoing. It may seem like unnecessary Opsec however, it is actually a mind set that should be applied to everything we do and a lapse here, could also become a lapse out in theatre.
It's not our little pink bodies in the jets.
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speeddial,
While I don't dispute any of what you've said, but making it easy for those that don't need to know, particulalry within 3 minutes of the event occurring, shows a lack of operational awareness. QRA jets departing are not necessarily triggered by Cold War nostalgia flights, and those other events are potentially highly-sensitive while ongoing. I'm not trying to do the scuffer's job for them, but it's just not good practice.
While I don't dispute any of what you've said, but making it easy for those that don't need to know, particulalry within 3 minutes of the event occurring, shows a lack of operational awareness. QRA jets departing are not necessarily triggered by Cold War nostalgia flights, and those other events are potentially highly-sensitive while ongoing. I'm not trying to do the scuffer's job for them, but it's just not good practice.
A 12 hour rule should address any security concern, while still giving a useful indicator as to whether reality and 'released figures' are diverging.
No-one needs to know that the Q jets have scrambled from Leuchars a few minutes ago, but to know that they scrambled again yesterday is interesting.
No-one needs to know that the Q jets have scrambled from Leuchars a few minutes ago, but to know that they scrambled again yesterday is interesting.
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Bear trouble?!
I hear that the a secret northern FC establishment had a few problems with some bears last week - anyone care to comment? Basics was the call I heard!!
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Quite frankly....
Don't you think there is at least one "mole" somewhere in the north with a high-power scanner and an internet connection, who keeps the Russians informed?
And don't the Russians have R/T monitoring satellites?
Really, if the Russians have to rely on 'Intel' from PPRuNe, even if it's up-to-date.... I don't think so.
Don't overestimate yourselves.....
Don't you think there is at least one "mole" somewhere in the north with a high-power scanner and an internet connection, who keeps the Russians informed?
And don't the Russians have R/T monitoring satellites?
Really, if the Russians have to rely on 'Intel' from PPRuNe, even if it's up-to-date.... I don't think so.
Don't overestimate yourselves.....
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Security's a state of mind. There aren't that many serious secrets in this business, but good intelligence comes from putting together apparently unconnected - and apparently mundane and unimportant- facts.
I don't think the Russians are in any way a military threat to the UK. I don't think there's any harm in people talking about what happens when bears come wandering, most of the time. I'm a journalist and someone with an interest in aviation and defence, so I _want_ to know this stuff... but I'm happier if people keep schtumm.
R
I don't think the Russians are in any way a military threat to the UK. I don't think there's any harm in people talking about what happens when bears come wandering, most of the time. I'm a journalist and someone with an interest in aviation and defence, so I _want_ to know this stuff... but I'm happier if people keep schtumm.
R
A few pictures of bears surprisingly here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...ers/html/1.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...ers/html/1.stm
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SLF,
Agreed.... look back to WWII.... (have you read R.V. Jones' "Most Secret War"?)
But I can't believe that Russian sigint is so backward that they need to trawl PPRuNe .....
CJ
There aren't that many serious secrets in this business, but good intelligence comes from putting together apparently unconnected - and apparently mundane and unimportant- facts.
But I can't believe that Russian sigint is so backward that they need to trawl PPRuNe .....
CJ
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tubby linton,
Thanks for the link.
And what about a couple of Tu-160s "virtually" (i.e., going through the motions) dropping a few nukes on Leuchars?
Are you going to splash them before they get to within stand-off range?
Or kindly tell them to f*** off, since they're too bloody close?
Thanks for the link.
And what about a couple of Tu-160s "virtually" (i.e., going through the motions) dropping a few nukes on Leuchars?
Are you going to splash them before they get to within stand-off range?
Or kindly tell them to f*** off, since they're too bloody close?
