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Intercepting Wandering Bears & Blackjacks Again (Merged)

Old 1st Nov 2007, 18:41
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"Stats"
Indeed, very odd "low" numbers!
Better look in Norwegian newspapers - or why not ask the Russians themselves?
(They may still have funny hats, but the "Sky News" clip was not bad at all!)
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Old 1st Nov 2007, 21:01
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Yeeees, it was in the news today as well. Again intercepted due west of Bardufoss.

Air Force very open about it this year. Surly no correlation with the big reorganization bill (i.e closures) the parliament is voting on after new year!?
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Old 2nd Nov 2007, 13:30
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Yeah them Reds 'as thick as bugs on a bumper
They even had a bear-in-the-air
I sez callin' all aircraft, this here's The Strawman
We about to go a huntin' bear
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Old 2nd Nov 2007, 18:21
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We about to go a huntin' bear
Poor bears....
Brown bears, black bears, grizzlies, polar bears, now red bears.... all being hunted to extinction.
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Old 2nd Nov 2007, 23:33
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QRA just launched again at 23.30 Friday evening
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Old 4th Nov 2007, 09:46
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OPSEC

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Old 4th Nov 2007, 10:44
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Skippedonce, while its nice to think such information can be controlled sadly those days have passed. There are mailing lists around for the hobbyists who will happily post the tactical callsigns, vectoring information, interplane freqs etc.
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Old 4th Nov 2007, 11:38
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Open radio freqs & the fact that people do notice the odd F3 leaving its base late at night, not to mention the VC10 that may well have woken up everyone within a 2 mile radius!

That said, we should not be placing info on here whilst QRA Ops are ongoing. It may seem like unnecessary Opsec however, it is actually a mind set that should be applied to everything we do and a lapse here, could also become a lapse out in theatre.

It's not our little pink bodies in the jets.
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Old 4th Nov 2007, 12:03
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speeddial,
While I don't dispute any of what you've said, but making it easy for those that don't need to know, particulalry within 3 minutes of the event occurring, shows a lack of operational awareness. QRA jets departing are not necessarily triggered by Cold War nostalgia flights, and those other events are potentially highly-sensitive while ongoing. I'm not trying to do the scuffer's job for them, but it's just not good practice.
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Old 4th Nov 2007, 12:23
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A 12 hour rule should address any security concern, while still giving a useful indicator as to whether reality and 'released figures' are diverging.

No-one needs to know that the Q jets have scrambled from Leuchars a few minutes ago, but to know that they scrambled again yesterday is interesting.
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Old 4th Nov 2007, 12:25
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I'm not suggesting I endorse people releasing such information but the cotton wool comfort of PPRuNe does not exist across the whole of the Internet.
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Old 4th Nov 2007, 12:25
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Yep, somethings are best left unsaid, for a time anyway.
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Old 23rd Dec 2007, 13:51
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Question Bear trouble?!

I hear that the a secret northern FC establishment had a few problems with some bears last week - anyone care to comment? Basics was the call I heard!!
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Old 23rd Dec 2007, 16:19
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Perhapes they should spend more time playing card games and less time in a zoo. Otherwise correct.
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Old 23rd Dec 2007, 21:27
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Quite frankly....
Don't you think there is at least one "mole" somewhere in the north with a high-power scanner and an internet connection, who keeps the Russians informed?
And don't the Russians have R/T monitoring satellites?

Really, if the Russians have to rely on 'Intel' from PPRuNe, even if it's up-to-date.... I don't think so.
Don't overestimate yourselves.....
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Old 23rd Dec 2007, 21:50
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Security's a state of mind. There aren't that many serious secrets in this business, but good intelligence comes from putting together apparently unconnected - and apparently mundane and unimportant- facts.

I don't think the Russians are in any way a military threat to the UK. I don't think there's any harm in people talking about what happens when bears come wandering, most of the time. I'm a journalist and someone with an interest in aviation and defence, so I _want_ to know this stuff... but I'm happier if people keep schtumm.

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Old 23rd Dec 2007, 21:58
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A few pictures of bears surprisingly here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...ers/html/1.stm
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Old 23rd Dec 2007, 22:06
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SLF,
There aren't that many serious secrets in this business, but good intelligence comes from putting together apparently unconnected - and apparently mundane and unimportant- facts.
Agreed.... look back to WWII.... (have you read R.V. Jones' "Most Secret War"?)
But I can't believe that Russian sigint is so backward that they need to trawl PPRuNe .....
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Old 23rd Dec 2007, 22:29
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tubby linton,
Thanks for the link.

And what about a couple of Tu-160s "virtually" (i.e., going through the motions) dropping a few nukes on Leuchars?
Are you going to splash them before they get to within stand-off range?
Or kindly tell them to f*** off, since they're too bloody close?
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Old 24th Dec 2007, 01:29
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I had always thought that, as I sat at my PPRuNe console, the world revolved around me. Now you say it ain't so! What's a chap to think?
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