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1ACC / RAF Kirton in Lindsey / RAF Scampton future

Old 15th Nov 2006, 14:51
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Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha........................!

No, seriously, a SHUTTLE?

Good God, man, even CAS has difficulty getting a jet to fly him around.

Shuttle? 40 years ago, yes, in the days of the station hack, but TODAY - well, when we can't fund decent kit for the guys and gals on the front line, where do you think the money's coming from to pay for that [at say, 3000 per flying hour]?

Great idea, but it is the Royal Air Force after all - we don't have the money, machines or men to make life comfortable for anybody any more...

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Old 15th Nov 2006, 14:55
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Talking

Ah isn't it great um, i remember the days, sat in the r30, rep 1, boulmer - neat, tote, ahhh jumpers for goal posts, rush goalie. Guys come on the old system is not suitable for todays defence environment, your just experiencing the drag further down south where the guys at Wycombe don't have to travell so far and standard of hotel isn't well how can i say it ...rubbish. QRA scramble scarmble scramble Master controller to the bridge!!!!!
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Old 15th Nov 2006, 19:12
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Old 16th Nov 2006, 07:37
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Boulmer will eventually close

I think most people are gradually coming around to the realisation that Boulmer will close, it's not really a matter of if, just when. The problem is relocating the SFC and, given the problems at Scampton, I think that can be completely ruled out as a possible location, however attractive the idea might have origionally seemed. I actually feel really sorry for all the people who's lives have been completely disrupted by the miss-management of this re-location programme - as an example of bad planning and inept decisions, it really takes some beating. Whoever did the investment appraisal of the outlay necessary to re-open Scampton, should be named and shamed, it must rate as one of the worse examples of staff work ever produced - however, he/she has probably been promoted for their 'efforts'.

I think the SFC will have to eventually move to a 'PTC unit' where it can reside under the Training Group, like other similar organisations in the RAF - quite why it has been allowed to remain outside the Training Group for so long is a complete mystery. I know the ACACS people are 'digging in' at Boulmer and seem determined to hang on as long as possible, but eventually the message will sink in, so if I were you I would be casting my eyes around for a suitable piece of empty real estate on one of the 'PTC stations'. Better to jump, before you're pushed!

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Old 16th Nov 2006, 11:04
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Proletarian.

Agree totally but the 'when' for Boulmer will, IMHO, be quite a while yet. The RAF is broke, period.

When the move does come though, don't be surprised if the end game is even more radical than people are suggesting at the moment.
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Old 16th Nov 2006, 11:38
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Northumberland Today article

An interesting article regarding a recent audit of the whole Boulmer/Scampton/Kirton piece!
http://www.northumberlandtoday.co.uk...icleID=1880584
Mr Beith's campaign seems to be gaining support, I don't think most involved care what the decision is, so long as it provides some stability (beyond the current 2 years plans!).
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Old 16th Nov 2006, 14:05
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SFC Re-location

Wyler,

Good to hear from you again!! As usual, you are correct in wondering when all this can eventually happen, as funding will be the key issue. Given the current drain on resources that the various OOA operations are having on the MOD budget, nobody should hold their breath. However, this issue will not go away and I only hope for everyone's sake that this time the re-location plan is thoroughly researched, correctly costed, adequately funded and that a sensible timescale is employed. We live in hope!

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Old 16th Nov 2006, 15:25
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1 ACC = 1st red Arrows airfield Continuity Cell. Oh how cynical of me to think that all these units are being put there to justify 9/10 aircraft having an airfield all to themselves!

It will all change again in 5 years time when the whole area is covered in Controlled Airspace and the only areas with clear training are Scotland, St Mawgan, Chivenor and Brawdy......oh...they've been closed haven't they!

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Old 16th Nov 2006, 15:59
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Proletarian,

Check your PMs.

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Old 16th Nov 2006, 16:08
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That article is in several of the regional rags. I would not read too much into it. The Hon Member for the Lib Dems holds little sway in these matters. As Proletarian says, it is not 'if' but 'when'.

Proletarian.

The Sports Bar! And not forgetting 'Hooters' in Ottawa (Sp???). I think the next effort will be much better but I would not be at all surprised to see most of the 'Ops Spt' eggs in the one basket.............like good comedy, it's a question of timing!
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Old 16th Nov 2006, 16:55
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Move the SFC to a PTC site? Hmmmmm. Isn't there soon going to be a vacated modern site near Gloucester. Doh!
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Old 16th Nov 2006, 18:10
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Move the SFC to a PTC site? Hmmmmm. Isn't there soon going to be a vacated modern site near Gloucester. Doh!
Alternatively, Strawberry Field.
 
Old 16th Nov 2006, 20:23
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Isn't it about time that the ASACs looked at joining/sharing training facilities with Air Traffic! Obviously there will be a few who will cry 'Heresy' but this may be the right time. Over the past few years, as airspace has become more congested/restricted and with the security situation there is a clearer need to work closer with both civil and mil ATC. Who knows it may even break down the Us and Them mentality.
Now how do we close Shawbury and move them up to Boulmer?
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Old 17th Nov 2006, 15:04
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Great AUK i think you may find that there are many other aviation related activities at RAF Strawberry i.e flying training but hey i know what will be said now and i dont want to go there about who exists for whos purpose, a move of 9 and 12 has been considered time and time again i personally remember being at boulmer one moment and at a tower the next, albeit a long time ago (Type 84 sort of time) ICCS was a wonderful thing!!! I sincerely hope the best for everyone will prevaill in this whole relocation fiasco but as i and many have found there is no yellow brick road on the other side of the rainbow just another bunch of heatless, mindless, and spineless fools paid too much to make guys and girls lives , and that of thier families miserable. Best of luck to you all. Oh yes and if in doubt!!!Bang out and join another higher paid (air) Trade, it's more fun but more people tend to shoot at you.
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Old 10th Jan 2008, 15:29
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Question Boulmer future decided - what about Scampton and Kirton in Lindsey?

Has anyone heard if when the rest of the decision will be made? Will it be a trip back up the A1 to obscurity for those living in ASACS Lincolnshire?

http://www.northumberlandgazette.co....ved.3659467.jp
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Old 10th Jan 2008, 15:43
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Pardon my French, but I bloody hope not!

And to say we're "delighted" ... Me thinks they were the words of the Force Cdr, not those on the shop floor?!
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Old 10th Jan 2008, 16:44
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So its Northumberland then! Does this mean that with no quarters anywhere that people posted north will have to take out mortgages with Northern Rock?

I wonder how much more investment there will be in the Government's Mafia Area. What a surprise.
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Old 10th Jan 2008, 19:26
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In fairness to the pilot, it seemed like a rather random place to site a radar!
Apart from the fact that a HIRTA would have been issued - Guess the pilot didn't do his planning correctly then!



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Old 10th Jan 2008, 20:10
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Complete thred drift but in relation to:

In fairness to the pilot, it seemed like a rather random place to site a radar!
The last time I was a Kirton, the radar was at the Western edge of the old airfield, about a mile from the HLS! The HLS was towards the NE of the sports pitches behind my house (ie nowhere near the airfield).

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Old 10th Jan 2008, 21:04
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Sheckles........

Less expensive of the options. Scampton's buildings need help....big time.
Nice to see that the public viewing area has been completed there
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