Should we order DEFCON 1 for August 22nd?
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There is an easy way of ending Intra-national terrorism, forever. Unfortunately it takes big balls and political will, something that doesn't exist in the West anymore.
Every time a terrorist attack takes place, or Hizbollah fires an unguided rocket indiscriminately into Israel, or the Iranians / Syrians / whoever are found to be funding/arming a group such as Hizbollah, we vapourise a major city in an Islamic country.
Continue this until:
1) They get the message, or
2) There's none of them left.
Extreme? Certainly. Will it work? Of course it will. The alternative is to lock ourselves into a constant cycle of small-scale conflicts, each generating the next, that will most likely last the rest of this century and beyond, and kill just as many people if not more.
Notice how the Islamic world tends to make it it's business to intervene when it's 'brothers' in a completely different part of the world are being 'oppressed'. Until we see them as they see themselves, a unitary entity dedicated to the destruction of the Western way of life and supplanting it with worldwide religious fascism and legislated belief, and act accordingly, we will never achieve any degree of peace in this world.
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How does one deal with a "Suicide Bomber" with a Nuke?
"Might" might not work in that scenario.
"Might" might not work in that scenario.
The worry with all these nutter states (Iran, North Korea etc.) is that they seem to thnik that a couple of fission warheads stuck on a souped up Scud turns them into a force to be reckoned with. The Cold War stayed cold because both sides had equal strength and nobody blinked. These Jihadi guys believe they are setting up Armageddon and that being the good guys, angels will ride in to whisk them off to paradise. They are dead set on having a scrap.
For the sake of international peace, they have to be made to understand that waving a nuke in your face is justification for a pre-emptive strike. Rather than that stupid invasion, perhaps "the coalition" should simply have nuked Baghdad to force the message home?
Its a good job I'm not the H of S of a nuclear power eh? You can see what that kind of thinking leads to...
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Maybe August 22 is the scheduled date of their first nuclear weapons test. Remember the rhetoric leading up to Pakistans test?
In any case, the rhetoric coming out of Tehran is most probably for local consumption only. Got to be seen to be in control and acting tough in front of the "enemy". These types place a lot of store in that style of leadership.
The leaders of these places spend most of their time looking over their shoulders - and rightfully so, I reckon!
In any case, the rhetoric coming out of Tehran is most probably for local consumption only. Got to be seen to be in control and acting tough in front of the "enemy". These types place a lot of store in that style of leadership.
The leaders of these places spend most of their time looking over their shoulders - and rightfully so, I reckon!
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Perhaps if they do in fact test a nuke.....we should lob a large one onto othe exact same spot one hour afterwards and show them the difference between prototypes and tested devices. It's not like we would be contaminating "clean" ground or air....although it might "clear" the air somewhat, so to speak.
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Originally Posted by 16 blades
Notice how the Islamic world tends to make it it's business to intervene when it's 'brothers' in a completely different part of the world are being 'oppressed'. Until we see them as they see themselves, a unitary entity dedicated to the destruction of the Western way of life.
This bit needs a bit more thought, though:
Originally Posted by 16 blades
Every time a terrorist attack takes place, or Hizbollah fires an unguided rocket indiscriminately into Israel, or the Iranians / Syrians / whoever are found to be funding/arming a group such as Hizbollah, we vapourise a major city in an Islamic country.
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Originally Posted by 16 blades
Every time a terrorist attack takes place, or Hizbollah fires an unguided rocket indiscriminately into Israel, or the Iranians / Syrians / whoever are found to be funding/arming a group such as Hizbollah, we vapourise a major city in an Islamic country.
Every time a terrorist attack takes place, or Hizbollah fires an unguided rocket indiscriminately into Israel, or the Iranians / Syrians / whoever are found to be funding/arming a group such as Hizbollah, we vapourise a major city in an Islamic country.
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Well, Given all the hullabalu that is going on at UK airports at the moment I would say that was a pretty good call and we should all be bloody careful for the next couple of weeks.
Not looking forward to my next (civvy) trip AMS/JFK one little bit.
Not looking forward to my next (civvy) trip AMS/JFK one little bit.
I strongly suggest that before you post these opinion pieces, you check the internet for the background of the writer.
Bernard Lewis is Jewish, a great supporter of Israel and a scholar of Arabic affairs. However one can hardly claim him as an unbiased commentator.
It is no secret that Israel would desperately like to see America bomb Iran, because it would further entangle America in the region and stop them from disengaging from Israel.
Bernard Lewis is Jewish, a great supporter of Israel and a scholar of Arabic affairs. However one can hardly claim him as an unbiased commentator.
It is no secret that Israel would desperately like to see America bomb Iran, because it would further entangle America in the region and stop them from disengaging from Israel.
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The way I see it, these days there’s a war on, right and, ages ago, there wasn’t a war on, right? So, there must have been a moment when there not being a war on went away, right, and there being a war on came along. So, what I want to know is: How did we get from the one case of affairs to the other case of affairs?
I heard it was because a bin liner blew up a twin's trousers and then a sad man who stains got caught in a rack.
Would you like to hear my war poem? It's called "The Iranian Bombs".
Boom boom boom boom....
I heard it was because a bin liner blew up a twin's trousers and then a sad man who stains got caught in a rack.
Would you like to hear my war poem? It's called "The Iranian Bombs".
Boom boom boom boom....
I remember Bernard Lewis explaining to everyone how "ver Arab mind" meant that if we invaded Iraq, they would be so impressed with our might that it would all be roses, pretty girls, cheap fuel and democracy from Marrakesh to Lombok.
Personally, I think "deciding whether or not to launch a war of choice in the most politically unstable place on earth on top of 60% of the world's oil reserves or some such" is a career-critical function.
The CIA's official estimate, I believe, has Iran 10 years from a nuclear bomb. They base this on the opinions of nuclear engineers and overhead-imagery interpreters. I think I'll take that over Lewis's crystal balls.
Personally, I think "deciding whether or not to launch a war of choice in the most politically unstable place on earth on top of 60% of the world's oil reserves or some such" is a career-critical function.
The CIA's official estimate, I believe, has Iran 10 years from a nuclear bomb. They base this on the opinions of nuclear engineers and overhead-imagery interpreters. I think I'll take that over Lewis's crystal balls.
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Originally Posted by Ali Barber
The Prophet's ascension (PBUH) is a public holiday in the Arabic world, so I doubt very much whether anything will happen!!!
Oh I do like a happy ending, especially as I’m off to see the Rolling Stones that day and I’d hate to think that all of London was in a rush to get out of the city whilst I was trying to get in.
