PVR - Flying Pay Cut - unjust?
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The gorilla,
If you can get access to JSP 754, you will find out that under JPA, the amount of flying pay is now halved upon PVR. Previously, you dropped down a level. For me, i am on the enhanced rate, so the drop is quite considerable!
Charlie,
I can't find any info on NGR terms - if they still exist and the terms are as you remember, then this might be a good option - I am in no rush to leave, and having a defined exit date would be very useful. Thanks for the info.
My reasons for leaving are personal, and i would appreciate not getting told how lucky I am to be getting any FP at all. I seem to be spending well over half my time living/ flying around a certain sandy sh1thole, and if i am 'still' required to fly in/out of some of the most dangerous airports in the world - receiving half FP is unacceptable.
Having trawled through the JSP, it just seems convenient that they have been re-written to suit the mil. Funny that.
If you can get access to JSP 754, you will find out that under JPA, the amount of flying pay is now halved upon PVR. Previously, you dropped down a level. For me, i am on the enhanced rate, so the drop is quite considerable!
Charlie,
I can't find any info on NGR terms - if they still exist and the terms are as you remember, then this might be a good option - I am in no rush to leave, and having a defined exit date would be very useful. Thanks for the info.
My reasons for leaving are personal, and i would appreciate not getting told how lucky I am to be getting any FP at all. I seem to be spending well over half my time living/ flying around a certain sandy sh1thole, and if i am 'still' required to fly in/out of some of the most dangerous airports in the world - receiving half FP is unacceptable.
Having trawled through the JSP, it just seems convenient that they have been re-written to suit the mil. Funny that.
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While I feel very sorry for all you poor folks that are loosing allowances because you have decided to leave the services before your normal option, surely when you joined you understood that the purpose of an armed force is to fight wars. Therefore you must have expected to spend long periods living away from home in assorted sandy s**t holes around the globe. Or did you rearly believe the recruiters when they told you that it would be pimms on the lawn and young Debutants fighting to rip their nickers off for you when you flashed your flying brevet at them.
Perhaps you thought that the government of this fair land actually cares about you. Time to grow up children.
Rules of life are:
1. who the f**k are you and who gives a s**t anyway?
2. There are plenty more young kids where you came from all believing the above.
3. The civil servants will ALWAYS change the rules to rip you off.
There is no point griping about it, just get on with it.
Perhaps you thought that the government of this fair land actually cares about you. Time to grow up children.
Rules of life are:
1. who the f**k are you and who gives a s**t anyway?
2. There are plenty more young kids where you came from all believing the above.
3. The civil servants will ALWAYS change the rules to rip you off.
There is no point griping about it, just get on with it.
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we all have our reasons for staying/going. Personally my terms of service mean that I have to leave at one of 2 optional exit points. If I want to leave at any other time, I have to PVR and then my pension is reduced as a punishment/penalty/whatever. This is different to other people who can just leave with required notice any time after their 22 yr point. That seems unjust to some people, but it is my terms of service, hey ho that's the way it goes.
we all have our reasons for staying/going. Personally my terms of service mean that I have to leave at one of 2 optional exit points. If I want to leave at any other time, I have to PVR and then my pension is reduced as a punishment/penalty/whatever. This is different to other people who can just leave with required notice any time after their 22 yr point. That seems unjust to some people, but it is my terms of service, hey ho that's the way it goes.
What utter twaddle, RayDarr. You must be one very blinkered individual if you cannot realise that people are not just automatons - their interests and ambitions my well change over the course of their years. Hence they may decide that the service life is no longer for them - and desire to move on.
Nothing wrong with that.
And it's the 'overall package' - the '$hit bucket' is far bigger than the 'fun bucket' these days and frankly it amazes me that any military pilot is retained as far the the ORD or whatever it's called these days. Unless they're a prolific brat-breeder taking advantage of boarding school allowances, of course.
Back seaters and the pie-eating team in the back of things like Nimrods have far fewer career options, so hardly suprising that retention is less successful for the 2WMR than for the 'and his crew' types.
Nothing wrong with that.
And it's the 'overall package' - the '$hit bucket' is far bigger than the 'fun bucket' these days and frankly it amazes me that any military pilot is retained as far the the ORD or whatever it's called these days. Unless they're a prolific brat-breeder taking advantage of boarding school allowances, of course.
Back seaters and the pie-eating team in the back of things like Nimrods have far fewer career options, so hardly suprising that retention is less successful for the 2WMR than for the 'and his crew' types.
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Most people joining the forces do so from school or Uni. They don't think about terms of service. The country however has had a long time to work out a very one way contract which you are then bound into. You should read the small print. (All you guys who did work hard at school should have had the wit to know that)
Now instead of living in your hotel, you live in crap accommodation, get shot at and have to mix with blunties (The indignity of it). Therefore you want out so you can earn mega bucks with Civ Air. However, when you find that Aunty Betty's government have crafty ways of dragging back their dosh (mine too as a tax payer) you cry the house down. Hard luck people!! If you HAD worked hard at school you would have joined Civ Air in the first place, and saved everyone a lot of trouble.
Life's a bitch, then you loose your flying pay. Get on with it and stop bleating.
Now instead of living in your hotel, you live in crap accommodation, get shot at and have to mix with blunties (The indignity of it). Therefore you want out so you can earn mega bucks with Civ Air. However, when you find that Aunty Betty's government have crafty ways of dragging back their dosh (mine too as a tax payer) you cry the house down. Hard luck people!! If you HAD worked hard at school you would have joined Civ Air in the first place, and saved everyone a lot of trouble.
Life's a bitch, then you loose your flying pay. Get on with it and stop bleating.
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Originally Posted by RayDarr
Most people joining the forces do so from school or Uni. They don't think about terms of service. The country however has had a long time to work out a very one way contract which you are then bound into. You should read the small print. (All you guys who did work hard at school should have had the wit to know that)
Now instead of living in your hotel, you live in crap accommodation, get shot at and have to mix with blunties (The indignity of it).
Now instead of living in your hotel, you live in crap accommodation, get shot at and have to mix with blunties (The indignity of it).
Getting shot at on a regular basis......part of the job - just get on with it.
Mixing with blunties....yup, that really was the last straw - see ya
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Originally Posted by RayDarr
Most people joining the forces do so from school or Uni. They don't think about terms of service. The country however has had a long time to work out a very one way contract which you are then bound into. You should read the small print. (All you guys who did work hard at school should have had the wit to know that)
Now instead of living in your hotel, you live in crap accommodation, get shot at and have to mix with blunties (The indignity of it). Therefore you want out so you can earn mega bucks with Civ Air. However, when you find that Aunty Betty's government have crafty ways of dragging back their dosh (mine too as a tax payer) you cry the house down. Hard luck people!! If you HAD worked hard at school you would have joined Civ Air in the first place, and saved everyone a lot of trouble.
Life's a bitch, then you loose your flying pay. Get on with it and stop bleating.
Now instead of living in your hotel, you live in crap accommodation, get shot at and have to mix with blunties (The indignity of it). Therefore you want out so you can earn mega bucks with Civ Air. However, when you find that Aunty Betty's government have crafty ways of dragging back their dosh (mine too as a tax payer) you cry the house down. Hard luck people!! If you HAD worked hard at school you would have joined Civ Air in the first place, and saved everyone a lot of trouble.
Life's a bitch, then you loose your flying pay. Get on with it and stop bleating.
You have no idea!
If you haven't got anything useful to say, please keep it to yourself.
p.s. remove that 'chip' while you are at it!
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I have nothing against pilots, I just wouldn't let my daughter marry one.
In fact I have nothing against people who wish to PVR but if you break your contract with the RAF, then you loose your flying pay. That's the deal so stop bleating about it. You could of course always stay in. Your choice.
I am also in favour of education, (even for women) but sometimes, the comments I have read from supposedly "educated" people on these pages leave me cold.
Pilots , no problem with them, known some good ones, and some bad, just like the rest of the livestock inhabiting the RAF. I am sure those Fighter Controller friends of mine will confirm that Pilots are in fact a manual guidance for long range weapon systems. Now IF they had brains, they would be safe on the ground at the radar CRC passing commands to the fools in the aircraft.
And by the way Baque Flip, I do know what I am talking about, and I will be as rude as I like to people like you.
In fact I have nothing against people who wish to PVR but if you break your contract with the RAF, then you loose your flying pay. That's the deal so stop bleating about it. You could of course always stay in. Your choice.
I am also in favour of education, (even for women) but sometimes, the comments I have read from supposedly "educated" people on these pages leave me cold.
Pilots , no problem with them, known some good ones, and some bad, just like the rest of the livestock inhabiting the RAF. I am sure those Fighter Controller friends of mine will confirm that Pilots are in fact a manual guidance for long range weapon systems. Now IF they had brains, they would be safe on the ground at the radar CRC passing commands to the fools in the aircraft.
And by the way Baque Flip, I do know what I am talking about, and I will be as rude as I like to people like you.
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Thanks for that, I guess the next amendment then will be to remove FP entirely from anyone who wishes to PVR. Now that would make people stop and think!
Thanks for that, I guess the next amendment then will be to remove FP entirely from anyone who wishes to PVR. Now that would make people stop and think!
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Didn't I read somewhere that if you PVR whilst on the PA spine you revert back to the normal career spine? Or maybe that was just if medically down graded and/or just the first 5 years?
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RayDarr, would you rather your daughter married someone as bitter & twisted as you? I am now in Civ Air as you call it. Suprisingly, after working hard at school, I decided to join the RAF and:
1. Enjoyed a variety of flying that I would never have had if I'd gone straight to an airline.
2. Met with a few t***ers but mostly met an amazing bunch of people who are true friends & I will keep in contact with for years to come.
3. Spent plenty of time in a tent but also in some rather nice hotels with (2) doing (1).
4. Had a great social life and probably met your daughter somewhere. Think she'll marry who she likes, better get used to it.
1. Enjoyed a variety of flying that I would never have had if I'd gone straight to an airline.
2. Met with a few t***ers but mostly met an amazing bunch of people who are true friends & I will keep in contact with for years to come.
3. Spent plenty of time in a tent but also in some rather nice hotels with (2) doing (1).
4. Had a great social life and probably met your daughter somewhere. Think she'll marry who she likes, better get used to it.
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Think I may have met his daughter but they all look the same with ballgowns over their ears! That said she did harp on about being a tax payer......Like father like daughter. Seem to remember she got her moneys worth, reckon RayDarr owes me.
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Originally Posted by Vifferpilot
Have any PA pilots PVR'd yet? If so, what happened to their salary?
Premature Voluntary Retirement
05.0621. The pay of PAS personnel will not reduce on approval of an application for premature voluntary retirement (PVR).
