RAF SAR to deploy to Afghanistan
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What I believe to have been started as a bit of tongue in cheek, seems to have become rather an Open Season on the SAR Boys (and Girls). Surely this is not warrented.
UK SAR is struggling with the Queenie and shortage of crews, true, but it seems to be implied in some posts that the SAR Guys have any sort of say in what they do and where they do it. Even if they did have a platform suitably equiped, and in sufficient numbers to allow them to operate "Sandy Side", its the Ivory Tower Brigade that won't deploy them. They are not willing to accept the political fall out of not having the resources to pick up battered, bruised and beaten up bodies from the bottom of cliffs or the top of mountains. The press would have a field day.
As for the "Pipe and Slippers" image, surely you pays yer money and takes yer choice. If you don't want to spend long periods of time away with sand between your toes, then volunteer for SAR duties. If it's not your bag, fine, but don't knock those who have chosen a yellow hat over a green one. I appreciate that not every one who wants to do it can, be it because of manning or aptitude, but there seems to be a steady stream of young SH mates crossing over at the mo. I seem to remember (many years ago!) sat in the crewroom at RAF Long Sutton, that those who knocked SAR were those who had tried and failed, or those who had been indoctrinated by them.
Come on, lets live and let live. Surely we all bat for the same side. We all do our bit, some furthur away than others, but you may feel differently about the Yellow Hatters if it were your wife/girlfriend/husband/boyfriend/son/daughter etc who gets picked up and helped out by them.
UK SAR is struggling with the Queenie and shortage of crews, true, but it seems to be implied in some posts that the SAR Guys have any sort of say in what they do and where they do it. Even if they did have a platform suitably equiped, and in sufficient numbers to allow them to operate "Sandy Side", its the Ivory Tower Brigade that won't deploy them. They are not willing to accept the political fall out of not having the resources to pick up battered, bruised and beaten up bodies from the bottom of cliffs or the top of mountains. The press would have a field day.
As for the "Pipe and Slippers" image, surely you pays yer money and takes yer choice. If you don't want to spend long periods of time away with sand between your toes, then volunteer for SAR duties. If it's not your bag, fine, but don't knock those who have chosen a yellow hat over a green one. I appreciate that not every one who wants to do it can, be it because of manning or aptitude, but there seems to be a steady stream of young SH mates crossing over at the mo. I seem to remember (many years ago!) sat in the crewroom at RAF Long Sutton, that those who knocked SAR were those who had tried and failed, or those who had been indoctrinated by them.
Come on, lets live and let live. Surely we all bat for the same side. We all do our bit, some furthur away than others, but you may feel differently about the Yellow Hatters if it were your wife/girlfriend/husband/boyfriend/son/daughter etc who gets picked up and helped out by them.
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Lots of misuse of terminolgy throughout this thread. If you can't sleep at night, JWP3.66 will iron out any misunderstanding. In summary UK SAR, Deployed SAR, CR and CSAR are all sub-sets of JPR.
The capability required for a particular Op should be determined during planning at the Joint level and articulated in a Personnel Recovery CONOPs that is specific to the theatre in question. The answer is rarely the same for each JOA.
SAREMF.
Be careful of basing your assumptions on the theatre in which you worked in the JRCC. There is still a requirement to be able to conduct the full spectrum of JPR missions. Whether that requirement is fully endorsed and funded is unfortunately a different issue.
NRDK
I didn't reply originally, as like many I thought it was a pure wind up. Now I am not so sure.
Regards Arthur
The capability required for a particular Op should be determined during planning at the Joint level and articulated in a Personnel Recovery CONOPs that is specific to the theatre in question. The answer is rarely the same for each JOA.
SAREMF.
Be careful of basing your assumptions on the theatre in which you worked in the JRCC. There is still a requirement to be able to conduct the full spectrum of JPR missions. Whether that requirement is fully endorsed and funded is unfortunately a different issue.
NRDK
I didn't reply originally, as like many I thought it was a pure wind up. Now I am not so sure.
Regards Arthur
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Originally Posted by SAR Boy Anchor
I didn't think we did all have to bat for the same side anymore?!?!?!
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Originally posted by Rude Kid
SARREMF
Sorry to reply to your patronising post but I must enlighten you, you are talking b*&**ks. If you feel the need to hint at a level of super secret specialist knowledge at least get it right.
If you knew anything about Afghanistan and Iraq since 2001, you would know this.
Oh dear oh dear. I wasn't hinting at a super secret level. Just that we shouldn't discuss things like this on an open forum. As to your second part, we will agree to differ - but been there done that, not sure you have though? You appear a tad sensitive over this matter? That's not supposed to be patronising by the way!
More importantly, how do you get other peoples quotes to stand out in blue?
SARREMF
Sorry to reply to your patronising post but I must enlighten you, you are talking b*&**ks. If you feel the need to hint at a level of super secret specialist knowledge at least get it right.
If you knew anything about Afghanistan and Iraq since 2001, you would know this.
Oh dear oh dear. I wasn't hinting at a super secret level. Just that we shouldn't discuss things like this on an open forum. As to your second part, we will agree to differ - but been there done that, not sure you have though? You appear a tad sensitive over this matter? That's not supposed to be patronising by the way!
More importantly, how do you get other peoples quotes to stand out in blue?
More importantly, how do you get other peoples quotes to stand out in blue?
Or, if you want a small section: Cut section you want from the message.
Go to reply pane.
Click on the little speech bubble (the last icon in the line immediately above the reply pane) and you'll get [ quote] [/QUOTE] appear [in upper case]
Paste section of post you're quoting between these two 'quote' brackets, ensuring that all the text you wish to quote is enclosed within those 'tags'. You should achieve the desired effect. And if neither of those is working, I'm stumped...
I think I have it figgered out now...talking about the lack of capability, lack of assets, and over stretch is fine but talking about capability, assets, and getting the job done is not. OK..got it.
Mustn't give the Oppos a heads up on things ya know.
Mustn't give the Oppos a heads up on things ya know.
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
Either click on the 'quote' icon in the bottom right corner of the message you want to quote
Or, if you want a small section: Cut section you want from the message.
Go to reply pane.
Click on the little speech bubble (the last icon in the line immediately above the reply pane) and you'll get [ quote]
Or, if you want a small section: Cut section you want from the message.
Go to reply pane.
Click on the little speech bubble (the last icon in the line immediately above the reply pane) and you'll get [ quote]
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