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Hello again. How do you know abiw is in Norway? .....Cos he said so this morning on another thread.
Do you know him?.......Not in the Biblical sense.
Why do you think it would open a can of worms about using Movements operators on RAF Aircraft. Are they not better trained in doing loading type stuff and moving freight around the world.............Do a search for a thread called Movers v Loadies which was quite popular a year or so ago
I see your profile says you are an ex muppet?......Muppet is a term of endearment used mainly by aircrew when referring to Movers. Some would say that I probably look like one of them.
PS: How's your application going for the RAFP ?
Hello again. How do you know abiw is in Norway? .....Cos he said so this morning on another thread.
Do you know him?.......Not in the Biblical sense.
Why do you think it would open a can of worms about using Movements operators on RAF Aircraft. Are they not better trained in doing loading type stuff and moving freight around the world.............Do a search for a thread called Movers v Loadies which was quite popular a year or so ago
I see your profile says you are an ex muppet?......Muppet is a term of endearment used mainly by aircrew when referring to Movers. Some would say that I probably look like one of them.
PS: How's your application going for the RAFP ?
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Methinks that Samuraimatt is a windup merchant on a fishing trip, hoping to hook ABIW and start him on a crusade against movers again 
Oh Smuraimatt, I am a civvy Loadmaster, and work for a living
Oh Smuraimatt, I am a civvy Loadmaster, and work for a living
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Blakey, it's not a comfort blaket but I do need a wallet the size of a pillow
"ALMs do in-house DAC training. All Movers now do a CAA acredited Course in both handling and packing DAC and have to requalify every one or two years"
Keep your ears to the ground on this one my luggage crushing chum
"Oh and he earned his rank!"
Did 15 years as a techie, did GST and TMT as both Cpl and Sgt BEFORE going ALM and trust me the folks who have the mental and physical strength to complete ITC have EARNED their rank and I suspect from the vitriol of your posts you realised at an early stage you had neither of those character traits
Dino..........your point is what
Why have a dog and bark yourself I say
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
"ALMs do in-house DAC training. All Movers now do a CAA acredited Course in both handling and packing DAC and have to requalify every one or two years"
Keep your ears to the ground on this one my luggage crushing chum
"Oh and he earned his rank!"
Did 15 years as a techie, did GST and TMT as both Cpl and Sgt BEFORE going ALM and trust me the folks who have the mental and physical strength to complete ITC have EARNED their rank
and I suspect from the vitriol of your posts you realised at an early stage you had neither of those character traits Dino..........your point is what
Why have a dog and bark yourself I say all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
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Originally Posted by dionysius
Methinks that Samuraimatt is a windup merchant on a fishing trip, hoping to hook ABIW and start him on a crusade against movers again
Oh Smuraimatt, I am a civvy Loadmaster, and work for a living
Oh Smuraimatt, I am a civvy Loadmaster, and work for a living
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Originally Posted by Echo 5
It did cross my mind that Samuraimatt could be a journo.
Sorry echo5 I am not sure that would make the front page ahead of the Isreali conflict. Just asking a few questions that no one seems able to answer.
Do civvy Loadmasters have to abide by CAA Crew duty hours?
Do they always fly with the load?
Do they have to do the IATA Carriage Of Dangerous Goods By Air course?
Who regulates them within the company?
Do they earn flight pay like the pilots?
dionysius are you ex RAF? Were you a movements operator?
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1.Unfortunately LM's are not restricted by CAA duty hours, however most companies are sensible with their tasking.
2.Very few LM 's fly with the a/c these days as most scheduled cargo operators utilise an agent at route stations.
3.Yes we have to attend the IATA DAC course and requalify bi-annually.
4. The chief Loadmaster or Flt ops Manager.
5. No just per diems (in my case anyway)
Yes I am ex RAF.
Hope you catch something soon
Abiw , how long have you been on hercs ? as I may know you
1.Unfortunately LM's are not restricted by CAA duty hours, however most companies are sensible with their tasking.
2.Very few LM 's fly with the a/c these days as most scheduled cargo operators utilise an agent at route stations.
3.Yes we have to attend the IATA DAC course and requalify bi-annually.
4. The chief Loadmaster or Flt ops Manager.
5. No just per diems (in my case anyway)
Yes I am ex RAF.
Hope you catch something soon
Abiw , how long have you been on hercs ? as I may know you
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Originally Posted by dionysius
Samuraimatt
Hope you catch something soon
Hope you catch something soon
If very few LM fly on the aircraft then surely that makes them Movers or loading staff. What type of aircraft do you fly in? How many hours do you fly per year?
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Dino,
Only been at Lyneham since 97, did 2 years on LXX then moved to the mighty J model, did 10 years on Puma's prior to that.
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
Only been at Lyneham since 97, did 2 years on LXX then moved to the mighty J model, did 10 years on Puma's prior to that.
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
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Wilts,
Sorry about the late reply but...............
" the folks who have the mental and physical strength to complete ITC have EARNED their rank and I suspect from the vitriol of your posts you realised at an early stage you had neither of those character traits ".
If you knew Blakey, and you probably do but don't know it, then you would realise that the above statement does not apply in his case.
Have a nice day.
Sorry about the late reply but...............
" the folks who have the mental and physical strength to complete ITC have EARNED their rank and I suspect from the vitriol of your posts you realised at an early stage you had neither of those character traits ".
If you knew Blakey, and you probably do but don't know it, then you would realise that the above statement does not apply in his case.
Have a nice day.
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Sorry Echo but anyone who witters so consistantly and so petulantly about ALM's in the manner Blakey does will always get short shrift from me. Having never been NCA he is hardly best placed to comment on whether they earned their spurs or not, just sounds like the usual jealousy to me
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
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Wilts et al,
There I was sitting quietly supping a glass of Chilean white ( Duty Paid ) when
.....Bang !!........and I end up here.
Methinks that Moderator on Freight Dogs doesn't like us for some reason.
There I was sitting quietly supping a glass of Chilean white ( Duty Paid ) when
.....Bang !!........and I end up here.
Methinks that Moderator on Freight Dogs doesn't like us for some reason.
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Originally Posted by Echo 5
Would it be better to put movers as loadmasters on RAF aircraft if they load it and do the paperwork?..............Oh dear. I don't think we want to open up that can of worms.
Not trying to reignite the tiresome Mov v ALM thread, just enlightening!
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Mov NCOs are trained IATA DG by air and have been for many years. As for who's more qualified - irrelevant. The 2 jobs have different roles and by having ALMs trained as well, we have an additional person who can check. Additional checks = safer aircraft.
Movers do not work for ALMs. Again, different roles. The mover works for his team leader (mover) and prepares the ac (loading, paperwork etc). The ALM is responsible for the load in flight and will accept it from the movers.
Certain jobs need NCO rank to provide authority, ALM is one. He / she must have the authority to control his / her passengers.
Clear?
Movers do not work for ALMs. Again, different roles. The mover works for his team leader (mover) and prepares the ac (loading, paperwork etc). The ALM is responsible for the load in flight and will accept it from the movers.
Certain jobs need NCO rank to provide authority, ALM is one. He / she must have the authority to control his / her passengers.
Clear?
Few airlines seem to be employing load masters in a flying role,but having seen many cock ups caused by a mis-load,this is a cause for concern. The only load sheets I see these days are all computer generated & the closest thing seen about the ramp (to a loadie) is the dispatcher/load team supervisor. Load masters really come into their own when your on an Ad Hoc. As well as load sheet & supervision they virtually ALL are barking & provide good value when on the lash.
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Originally Posted by movadinkampa747
Surely they have the full authority of the Captain to deal with passengers as they see fit.
As written in the JSP 327...or whatever it is this week....
More LAter;
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Muppet Show,
This " ..............Oh dear. I don't think we want to open up that can of worms." was attributable to me in answer to a question.It was posted in order to diffuse any sh!t kicking contest that may develop cos it's all been said before and I for one don't want to get into that again. Much better to have some good natured banter.
BTW............ABIW'S pillow aint that big.
This " ..............Oh dear. I don't think we want to open up that can of worms." was attributable to me in answer to a question.It was posted in order to diffuse any sh!t kicking contest that may develop cos it's all been said before and I for one don't want to get into that again. Much better to have some good natured banter.
BTW............ABIW'S pillow aint that big.
