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Why Nobody Likes RAF Police

Old 4th Aug 2006, 08:21
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator
Wilders, good analysis. When I looked at L72's initial entry I was amazed at the sheer pace of his postings.
He dipped his toe in the water at 2140 and next at 2218. Then it came fast and furious with 7 3 5 5 2 5 1 4 6 5 3 3 1 1 2 1 2 3 2 1 10 4 6 3 3 8 11 4 3 9 11 6 3 3 3 11 15 16 6 3 7 20 88 minutes between posts.
The last post at 0330 and the next at 1835 seem slight aberations. Given the timing and pprune being on Zulu, it has all the hallmarks of someone pulling a boring night shift somewhere hot and sunny.
It this a record?
I'd like to quote myself:

Originally Posted by Pass A Frozo
Just remember.. are you there on deployment helping what the country wants? Are you hindering it and making life hard for people who are actually doing their bit... maybe when you do something that actually contributes you might understand...
Sounds like another self licking ice-cream on deployment to me
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Old 5th Aug 2006, 00:04
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Let it lie

I'm sorry to say that my first ever post on here is about this, I really am, but for Gods' sake chaps, let's all let this one lie. It's embarrassing for all concerned.
The RAFP are (rightly or wrongly) pilloried for doing what they do, but I've been helped out in the past once or twice by the dreaded snowdrop, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

The only good this thread serves is to split the RAF even further apart than it already is. Well done all, I hope you are all proud of yourselves.
Never have I seen such a level of unhelpful drivel from ground trades and aircrew alike. You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves for starting this thread.

Why don't we all just try to get on with our jobs, let's stop worrying who the "enemy at home are".

I only hope that my next post can be on something more constructive than this subject!

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Old 5th Aug 2006, 05:30
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I only hope that my next post can be on something more constructive than this subject!
Naaaah, unlikely 'cos we all hate skuffers!

I don't know if you've read the whole thread QFIhawkman (and God knows I wouldn't want to) but you'll see that most posters accept the professional RAFP (i.e. Comp Sy, Counter int etc) are fine, it's the jumped-up LAC/A/Cpl (U) and his/her senior brethren who were too thick to specialise that are the targets for abuse.

I work for the real police (civi staff) and they seem to be darn site more flexible and capable of working on their own initiative - there also seems less of the vindictive petty-mindedness of some of the RAFP posters here. Oh, did I forget arrogance? Telling aircrew and (ex) int all about the lack of air threat in the 'Stan and Iraq?

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Old 5th Aug 2006, 13:58
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Originally Posted by Maple 01
Naaaah, unlikely 'cos we all hate skuffers!
Brilliant - Round of applause for that man.

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Old 6th Aug 2006, 00:27
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In reply to stillagoodguy.

I accept your comments and welcome the info you have provided. I know that some local Police authorities welcome ex RAFP at the age of 40, Some even go to age 45 where specific skills are available. However, what I was trying to point out, probably very badly, was that in my experience most RAFP WO were usually in the trade for the full term. That is to age 55. I personally do not know of any that left the RAF with WO rank at the age of 40 years. But as previously stated I have been out of the system for 20 years and things do change.

QFIhawkman. In some ways I do agree with your comments about letting this thread die. However I am in favour of free speech, regardless of the potential animosity and aggravation caused by the postings. But I would suggest that readers of the forum judge each posting by its content, prose and at times the obvious influence of intoxicants and decide on their response accordingly. And do not take things too seriously….!!!!

Ultimately, accept that on this forum personal opinions can be aired freely. Individuals will elaborate on personal experiences to make them more tantalising to readers (After all the title of this thread is Why Nobody Likes The RAF Police) and posters have expressed their dislike for my trade quite vociferously and at times legitimately. Also some of the so called RAFP respondents have, In my opinion, conducted themselves in a less than professional manner and have only confirmed the negative postings made against the trade.

As for the rest well, What can I say. I find this forum amusing and at times informative. I try to filter out the venomous responses, treat the tongue in cheek responses for what they are and accept the constructive criticisms made. I wish others could make the same constructive judgements without reacting OTT. I for one would not wish for this thread to die. Constructive criticism is the way forward. Destructive criticism is barrier to all concerned.

In my last few posts I have probably upset a few of my ex colleagues but I do feel a sense of reality is required. Yet again I have let myself open to abuse from both trade and others.

Regards as always.
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Old 6th Aug 2006, 00:49
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A good post Wilders, however I feel you may be fighting a losing battle. As much as I hate it, some on here feel that this is the ideal place to slate a trade in general, through anonymous writing.
I personally like the RAFP, (and yes, (bring it on), I also see a place for Movers, Regiment and Suppliers in the RAF of today, shock horror!) they have given me help throughout my career, and I wish them no harm. They are here to help after all.
I think you may find that those against the Service Police on these forums are in the low teens, if that.
Bear that in mind when, and indeed if, replying to these ne'er do wells, take it with a pinch of the old Maldon briny crusty stuff!

A worthless thread if ever there was one.

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Old 6th Aug 2006, 07:55
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The balance between like and dislike is probably because of their janus role. One the one hand they are force protection, including blue light taxis and patrolling the gut, and on the hand they are internal regulators.

The latter is where the angst lies and the waters muddied with barrier up/barrier down or aircraft guard both essentially force protection but with little threat. When the threat was finally recognised the barrier patrol was then transfered from RAFP to RAF and latterly (in many cases but not all) to dedicated FP. Counter Int, in the broad spectrum was also FP.

By mixing the two the opprobrium here appears to be aimed at the branch at a whole whereas it is the internal security side that is in the frame usually.

Did you know, not that long ago, that the Civpol relied on RAF expertise for IT forensic investigation?
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Old 6th Aug 2006, 11:43
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PonNav is correct about civil police receiving assistance regarding IT inv.

New Scotland Yard was just one such benificiary.
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Old 6th Aug 2006, 13:18
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The stock in their stationery cupboard now lasts considerably longer as well.
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Old 6th Aug 2006, 18:51
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Hey guys,

I just wanted to say , why cant this thread return to how it was at the start? Amusing stories about dealings with the RAFP. The first pages of the thread had me falling off my chair laughing, now it seems to have descended into petty childish insults, which IMHO is getting tedious. Some people within this forum take their selfs far to seriously IMHO read the thread for what it is and if you feel the need to reply then do it by telling us a amusing story about a your dealings with a idiot officer /techie /stacker/PTI/ scribbly.


On that note if we have run out of amusing RAFP stories can we start on another trade PTI stories anyone?

regards

P.S yes I am an armourer, grazed knuckles , big hammer so feel free to have a pop
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Old 6th Aug 2006, 19:32
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From the Avon and Somekit police web site

You may apply for the position of police constable on reaching 18. However, you must be 18 years and 6 months old before you can be appointed.

There is no upper age limit (this is subject to change) but please bear in mind that the normal retirement age for police constables and sergeants is 55 years and that new recruits are required to undertake a two year probationary period.
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Old 6th Aug 2006, 20:05
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Originally Posted by fightingchickenplumb
Hey guys,

I just wanted to say , why cant this thread return to how it was at the start? Amusing stories about dealings with the RAFP. The first pages of the thread had me falling off my chair laughing, now it seems to have descended into petty childish insults, .
Couldn't agree more, you big smelly poofter.
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Lara Crofts Pants



Nice one fella
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Old 7th Aug 2006, 13:08
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"Really glad you get the same benefits on deployment... really.. really I am.. Oh.. that's right.. just remembered.. no I'm not. You didn't earn your money."
Fair enough having a pop at scuffers etc, but please try to look at the bigger picture.
Let's not forget the six Royal Military Police killed in 2003, I'd say that they, rightly or wrongly, were put in harms way.
Now let's get back to atking the proverbial, and try to avoid undue vitriol - or am I being overly sensative?
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Old 7th Aug 2006, 16:37
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I thought this topic was about why the RAF "Police" weren't liked. Don't recall the Royal Military Police being called into question.

Good eggs those lot, at the sharp end when it comes to operational deployments, unlike their comrades in the RAFP (tongue firmly in cheek)

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ps And STILL waiting for an apology from Laar!!
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Old 7th Aug 2006, 17:47
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No one picked up on my 'force protection' lifebelt.

Years ago, one Cpl Nelson had the job of standing at the top of a Giraffe to survey the surrounding airfield for intruders etc while guarding the Vulcans below.

That he was in full view of everyone, insurgents and enemy alike, did not put him off. Should have got a medal. Come to think of it, he did, a GSM and clasp.

Then, a few years later, a Major Keck, USAF Air Police, came on an exchange tour to Wittering, then the advanced base for RAF field ops and force protection (a name we hand not coined at that time and before Harriers in RAFG). Offered RAF Police he opted for RAF Regt as the RAFP was . . .
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Old 7th Aug 2006, 19:05
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PontiusNavigator,
Your USAF Air Police friend was well qualified to fit in with the 'Rocks' and their war like scenarios, whereas he would have been completely out of his depth big time in the RAFP, where the specialists are on a par with the USAF OSI, as the following link will show you. I and many, many, colleages have considerable 'shared experiences' with OSI, in UK and across NATO, much of it very enjoyable.
http://public.afosi.amc.af.mil

Great organisation!
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Old 7th Aug 2006, 20:38
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PontiusNavigator,
Your USAF Air Police friend was well qualified to fit in with the 'Rocks' and their war like scenarios, whereas he would have been completely out of his depth big time in the RAFP, where the specialists are on a par with the USAF OSI, as the following link will show you. I and many, many, colleages have considerable 'shared experiences' with OSI, in UK and across NATO, much of it very enjoyable.
http://public.afosi.amc.af.mil
Great organisation!

Please, keep this a RAFP-only thread! Our former Air Police - Security Police - present-day Security Forces stories aren't nearly as funny!
 
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More than a few AFOSI guys are not in the military at all but are Civilian Special Agents.....same as in the NCIS (Navy Criminal Investigative Service) where the civilians are the rule and the military are in the minority.
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