Why Nobody Likes RAF Police

[Pontius Navigator]

SSShhh, don't spoil a good tail.

Now we are talking 1983? At ISL they still had RAFP on the gate. During a QRA we used to arrive at the gate with a queue of traffic waiting at the IN. Headlights on, pedal to the floor, in the OUT, down the one-way street wrong way, not less than 40 on the peritrack and usually airborne before the blue light taxi arrived.

Actually they were not all bad there as I don't know of anyone who was ever stopped after they had 'crashed' the camp gate responding to an alert. But having a regular RAFP on the gate at least meant that they knew what was going on.

[16 blades]

Clicker,

Thanks for the info (couple of pages back) - a reasoned and informative response. Of course I understand that the police have increasing commitments with limited resources (who doesn't under this Govt?).

The fact still remains, however, that Chief Constables are given a rather frightenening degree of freedom to decide on policing priorities in their Force's patch, and an awful lot of them are getting it so, so wrong. Even those Force's who 'aim' to attend a reported burglary in "90 mins". Bottom line is, the fastest way to get a copper to you nowadays is to walk out onto the street and shout "Nigger!", "Paki!", or "Faggot!" at somebody - you will have somebody from the local "Hate Crimes" unit on your ass faster than greased weasel sh*t. And if you're quick enough, you can get in first and report your burglary / assault / vandalism before they subject you to a 4 hour lecture with menaces.

Add to that the fact that, unlike most countries, the great British Bobby still has an extraordinary amount of discretion to play with when deciding how to deal with an offence, and you can see how it's not all down to the Gov - not even close.

Hey Laarbruch - almost forgot you!

1: I hung around in Bahrain getting pissed on the taxpayers money, making the occasional twice fortnightly soiree into (safe as houses if not off camp) Kabul to get my medal, whilst moaning about the danger at 30,000 feet. (See Basrah)
2. I shat it at a UK base moaning about doing CCS.
3: I spent a month in Basrah (safe as houses if not off camp also) moaning about the mess facilities, and the danger of the ground to air threat just to get my medal. (Even though there are no credible enemy air forces or ground threat operating in any current theatre!)

Be VERY, VERY careful here my friend. I'm quite surprised you were allowed to get away with that comment.

Try telling the guys currently on det in Kandahar or Basrah about the "no credible enemy air forces or ground threat operating in any current theatre". You are obviously WELL out of the loop on current ops. Best not to comment on things you know nothing about, old boy.

16B

[Tombstone]

Originally Posted by Laarbruch72

1: I hung around in Bahrain getting pissed on the taxpayers money, making the occasional twice fortnightly soiree into (safe as houses if not off camp) Kabul to get my medal, whilst moaning about the danger at 30,000 feet. (See Basrah)
2. I shat it at a UK base moaning about doing CCS.
3: I spent a month in Basrah (safe as houses if not off camp also) moaning about the mess facilities, and the danger of the ground to air threat just to get my medal. (Even though there are no credible enemy air forces or ground threat operating in any current theatre!)

Brave men, to a man. I salute you all!

XV179...

You know nothing Laarbruch, stop being a tosser & shut it.

[Always_broken_in_wilts]

"XV179...

You know nothing Laarbruch, stop being a tosser & shut it."

That's why he/she is an RAFP, the thick moronic to@@er knows **** all and happily proves it with his/her PIG IGNORANT posts on here

Laarparts,

Either man up and apologise or **** off and stop posting

all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced

[navibrator]

Police

A very interesting thread with some really good bits and some emotional bits. Yes - we all have a job to do and some stick to the "rules" more than most. But that is not the problem. What we should all do is use common sense. Being aircrew, I no more wish to see aircrew "get away with it" more than anyone else. But there is a balance and that is what this thread raises.

In the mid 90's at Leeming, we had a Sqn bash at the Sqn. A certain man decided to cycle back and was stopped by the RAFP and told to push his bike home. Now in the old days, they would have said "Jump in, we will take you home".

No - the RAFP drove on and after some yards, my colleague jumped back on his bike only to be stopped again. Did the RAFP help? Oh yes - they followed him home at 2 mph or so to make sure he didn't get back on his bike.

Now you can take puritanical stance or the realistic stance. Are we a team or are we all individuals working in the same business. Clearly, some issues demand strong decision making; but then there are the issues that don't.

Having a relative in the civvy police, I know that they are more than wlecome to turn a blind eye to some misgivings. Unfortunately, some, in the RAFP aren't. And that is the issue.
I leave that for you to discuss.

[Shjustme]

Not wholely dissimilar to XV179......

Back in the dark days of NI when IRA scum were killing everyone who blinked, they decided to shoot an RAFP plod and his RMP colleage in the back, whilst the latter were engaged in routine uniformed unarmed foot patrol of a certain high street.. Both very seriously injured but fortuneately survived, but careers and lifestyle ruined........

At the time there more than a few remarks of an ''unpleasant nature'' spoken in crew rooms and messes in the RAF...........

All quite unnecessary

Not so many years ago a 'gunman' drove passed an RAF base in Germany firing his pistol at the RAFP plod on the gate. Driver stopped just passed the gate, and was rather astonished to find the plod running like hell towards him, and grabbing the pistol out of his hand. It was only later discovered that the pistol was of the 'starter' type and the 'gunman' was a rather mentally disturbed German... Very young 'Plod' was awarded immediate Commendation.

And a little earlier in a different part of the world, a RAFP plod picked up a primed grenade from the back of the landrover he was travelling in and threw it back at the terrorist who momentarily ago had thrown it into the vehicle. Baaannnngggggggg, but they all escaped with their lives, and 'Bill' S was awarded BEM for bravery. Sadly he passed away relatively recently.

There's many a true story of RAFP plods getting into harm's way, in the line of duty, proving it's not totally the preserve of those at the self-styled 'pointy' end of the service.

[unclenelli]

After returning from a det, I found my car still parked in the works carpark, but with 2 large scrapes on the side - red scrape across the front passenger door handle, white scrape across front passenger door leading to large dent in door

I deduced that 2 cars had hit my vehicle while I was away

On return, I notified the local Barrier Pilots, who said "they'd get back to me"

Since the car park I was parked in was a works car parks (e.i. used by people who work there), I deduced that the cars responsible would be parked in the car park(!!!!- not to hard is it?)

Since my car is a Citroen (and was left with the hydraulics de-pressurised), I could measure the height of the dents to the millimetre.
After a wander around the carpark with a tape measure, I found a white Pug306 with a corresponding mark (same height from floor - to the millimetre!!) in the drivers door

When I phoned the Barrier Pilots, they told me they had closed the case as they had no further information/evidence to act on(?)
I told them that I had found the car responsible (albeit circumspect), and that I they should question the owner. They said that they would look into it.

Female TCO Cpl Te***er at Waddington driving a white Peugeot 306 parked in the new 5Sqn Ops Carpark between 5Hgr and Ops knows I know!!!!



RAFP did b****r all to solve the problem of criminal damage (£300) to my car!
My investigation revealed the culprit!

[DON T]

I remember sitting in the 180 club on Gan in 1973 when a dog handler placed his dog in the nearby kennel while he had a cup of rosie lee. unfortunately he didn't make sure the lock was locked on the kennel. The dog got out and had all us drunkards standing to attention on the tables in the Naafi.

Oh happy times.

[Laarbruch72]

Hey Laarbruch - almost forgot you!

Be VERY, VERY careful here my friend. I'm quite surprised you were allowed to get away with that comment.

Try telling the guys currently on det in Kandahar or Basrah about the "no credible enemy air forces or ground threat operating in any current theatre". You are obviously WELL out of the loop on current ops. Best not to comment on things you know nothing about, old boy.

16B[/quote]

Thanks old boy, but I'm not commenting on things I know not of.... ( I wouldn't be so naive!) I've served in both places very recently. So NOT out of the loop I'm afraid. So which creditable air threat are we talking about? The Al Quaeda Air Force?
Granted, SMALL ground to air threat when on finals for said airfields. But that's what FP is for, and they all do a good job at it (The rocks at Basra, Belgian FP at Kabul, Spams at Kandahar).
Stop cacking it and moaning that you're the only ones facing a threat. Go and grab your gun and go and provide some top cover for a drive into Basra North, Kabul City or Kandahar, you might start to appreciate that it's not just the flying gods who earn their beer.

And by the way... I've had 3 pm's after the last posting ding dong that I had. They were all civilians (2 pilots one not) who couldn't believe the arrogance of some of the aircrew posters here, and were backing me up. So (certain) aircrew guys, (Always whingeing in wilts, wgnobrain dummy and the like), have a long look at yourselves and see the damage this thread is bringing you. But by all means carry on if need be, I always love to see an own goal!
Better still, have some professionalism and stop posting utter rubbish on this already tired and sad thread.

Mind how you go,

Laar.

[Always_broken_in_wilts]

If you have had three posts from people in support of the RAFP I'll slam my knob in my car door , clearly the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard

Small surface to air threat in Afghan, dont you just love the ill informed when they post in this manner. You obviously have no access to the tactics manuals employed by those who fly in theatre, cos if you did you would see how silly your last post looks.................so was that last button push barrier up or was it barrier down, stick to what you know scuffer

all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced

[ident80enter]

Well, after 22 years I have just had the need to go to the RAF police for something decent. My daughter has been plagued by phone harrassment over the last few weeks which culmibated in a 'twit' leaving a death threat to me and mine on my phone message system over the weekend. Silly lad left his name and phone number too! Promptly phoned the RAF police (3am) having spent 20 minutes trying to get the right number from the MOD Operator. Police (RAF) arrived very very promptly and secured the house and area etc. They contacted the local plods who also responded. That night they kept up a regular patrol whic reassured Mrs Ident and the little idents. Today had 2 follow up visits by RAF and Local Police and the lad in question is now in very deep and hot water.

So I have to say this has been a positive experience of dealing with the RAF Police and I'll think twice before doing them down again.

[16 blades]

Granted, SMALL ground to air threat when on finals for said airfields. But that's what FP is for, and they all do a good job at it (The rocks at Basra, Belgian FP at Kabul, Spams at Kandahar).

You utter, utter f**kwit. I can assure you, without any shadow of a doubt, that you know absolutely cock-all about current threats to aircraft in theatre.

So shut the f**k up and wind your neck in, rozzer.

Seriously.

16B

[Maple 01]

Small surface to air threat in Afghan,

Bolox! Drop by you're friendly Int Cell and they might let you read the threat assessment - if you've got the clearance, otherwise I'd STFU if I were you, but perhaps you like looking like a knob and proving the main thrust of this thread?

Edited to add - bugger, beaten by 16B

I used to do the IRT brief for Afghanistan at a recently closed big cat base - don't remember any RAFP turning up for the air threat part

So where did you get your specialist knowledge? It sure as hell wasn't the in theatre int guys

[Laarbruch72]

Originally Posted by Always_broken_in_wilts

If you have had three posts from people in support of the RAFP I'll slam my knob in my car door , clearly the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard

Small surface to air threat in Afghan, dont you just love the ill informed when they post in this manner. You obviously have no access to the tactics manuals employed by those who fly in theatre, cos if you did you would see how silly your last post looks.................so was that last button push barrier up or was it barrier down, stick to what you know scuffer

all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced

Slam your wanger in the old car door then Whinger in wilts. It happened.
I have access to the whole threat picture in theatre thanks. We don't all operate barriers (Although granted I used to many years ago!) Some of us are involved in threat advice, and YOU my friend are talking ****. Although you know that already.

This thread started with "Why EVERYONE hates the RAF Police." Isn't it sad that only 5 or 6 of you can keep on going about this trade? (By that I maean 16 sad blades, wp wankerAAC dummy and always whingeing in wilts, your good self.)

Everyone else seems to have a neutral (or even pro police) view.
So why are you so bitter? Had a WARNING for excess speed or something similarly overlookable???
You sad case.

Laar.

[Laarbruch72]

I used to do the IRT brief for Afghanistan at a recently closed big cat base - don't remember any RAFP turning up for the air threat part

Good on you!!

So where did you get your specialist knowledge? It sure as hell wasn't the in theatre int guys[/quote]

I've been there. And in daily contact wit the AWC. You?
Bestest regardes!
Laar.

[16 blades]

Laarpr*ck,

With your last two responses stretching the boundaries of even a rozzer's credibilty, I am forced to conclude that you are simply a troll.

That, and a total cheese piece. You've already been told once...

NOW SHUT THE F**K UP

16B

[Maple 01]

AWC? hahahahahahahahaha!

So that's why you know bugger-all

However, unless the AWC have changed the brief drasticly in the past few months I'd check again if I were you

Try theatre J2 as a starting point, but STONEGHOST will point you in the right direction I'm sure, or RAFCCIS if they don't trust you that much

[Laarbruch72]

Originally Posted by 16 blades

Laarpr*ck,

With your last two responses stretching the boundaries of even a rozzer's credibilty, I am forced to conclude that you are simply a troll.

That, and a total cheese piece. You've already been told once...

NOW SHUT THE F**K UP

16B

Congratulations 16B. A well thought out, reasonable reply.

Keep replying 16B, you are doing your trade a really good deed!
"Aircrew aren't really stupid are they Granddad?" "See Pprune military forums my son!"

Oh and by the way, well done on selecting a great name for me!! Laar Pr*ck was fantastic!!! Good thinking that man..... Keep it up!!

[Laarbruch72]

Originally Posted by Maple 01

AWC? hahahahahahahahaha!

So that's why you know bugger-all

However, unless the AWC have changed the brief drasticly in the past few months I'd check again if I were you

Try theatre J2 as a starting point, but STONEGHOST will point you in the right direction I'm sure, or RAFCCIS if they don't trust you that much

Whatever Maple.

I know more than you and that hurts you. Because I've served there.

Sad fact. But true.

Whinge ahead. But read this first.....: NOT INTERESTED!

[Maple 01]

Yep, RAFP know more than Int - I suppose we may as well go home now - who'd the aircrew trust? You don't care so much you keep posting

So, no STONEGHOST access then?