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Old 16th May 2006, 20:47
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Quick Question

Got a quick question for those military types.
Watching an episode of JAG recently and heard the quote
"Bracket right. Maintain angels 15." relating to two F18's trying to intercept an enemy plane.

Anyone have any idea what this means.

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The 'bracket' refers to a type of rhyming slang from 'hinge & bracket' meaning hinge - whinge, and the phrase is reversed to encode it, so bracket right means 'right whingers' - meaning Americans.

'Maintain angels 15' is a reference to the course steered, angels being track with applied drift and 15 being 150 mils (about 050 degrees).

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Took the words out of mouth, Kite old chap! Perfect answer.
 
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Alright then R/T jedi, what did they mean in Pearl Harbour by:
"Spider Leader, Top-Hat control, bandits now 20 miles East hdg South-East, vector one-two-zero, make angels two-oh."
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But that's obvious, it's before coded transmissions: it's all in clear english!
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Originally Posted by lotsahueys
Got a quick question for those military types.
Watching an episode of JAG recently and heard the quote
"Bracket right. Maintain angels 15." relating to two F18's trying to intercept an enemy plane.
Anyone have any idea what this means.
Regards in advance
Lotsa
Despite the 'cute' answers given, it's a bastardized tactical call made by either GCI/AWACS and/or the flight lead for the fighters to 'bracket' or flank the target aircraft while maintaining 15,000 ft.*

And JAG's main character is going to be the standard soon - use of force issues are always second-guessed by the lawyers behind the lines, so soon we all will law school grads!

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Originally Posted by Fg Off Kite
The 'bracket' refers to a type of rhyming slang from 'hinge & bracket' meaning hinge - whinge, and the phrase is reversed to encode it, so bracket right means 'right whingers' - meaning Americans.
'Maintain angels 15' is a reference to the course steered, angels being track with applied drift and 15 being 150 mils (about 050 degrees).
See, easy when you know how!

?Que?

So we ALL are right 'whingers.' (I am, but that's not the point). So Ted Kennedy, Hillary, and John Kerry are right wingers? Ok, then. Glad you made it clear for me.

"Angels" equating to any sort of course/heading? Unless this is a wind up, WTFO? If it is a wind up, then sorry.
 
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I agree with Fg Off Kite. I am an RT expert and he's got it spot on.
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Well, alrighty then....that settles that.
 
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Originally Posted by VigilantPilot
I agree with Fg Off Kite. I am an RT expert and he's got it spot on.
WTF is an RT expert when it's at home? I would suggest that most, if not all, who fly have a claim to being that if it exists, we just don't wear the
fekin' anorak, VigilantPilot!

I'm with Brick, 'cos I know his professional credentials.

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Er, um...

For a start the Americans would not be using any kind of version of Cockney rhyming slang. Neither would the Brit FJ force. To bracket means to fly either side; 'Angels' universally refers to altitude in thousands of feet - Angels 15 means 15,000ft.
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I am a bone-fide RT expert from having watched Top Gun, Iron Eagle I-IV and for helicopter currency "Wings of the Apache" thank-you very much.
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Not sure about 'bracket' - but angles 15, refers to friendly altitude in thousands of feet, i.e 15000....

Got nothing to do with track and drift...

If this is a wind-up then feel free to "WAHHHH" me
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Originally Posted by sonicstomp
Not sure about 'bracket' - but angles 15, refers to friendly altitude in thousands of feet, i.e 15000....

Got nothing to do with track and drift...

If this is a wind-up then feel free to "WAHHHH" me
Angles 15? I think you mean Angels 15 dont you?
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KITE is close but does not get the cigar. It is slang but not Cockney for sure.

Bracket suggests "wack it" which in American slang would suggest "Wan.ker" which would make the "enemy aircraft" something wearing Roundrels I think. Since my wings are silver and not gold, I cannot attest to that bit of US Navy lore.
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Originally Posted by VigilantPilot
I agree with Fg Off Kite. I am an RT expert and he's got it spot on.
Definition of expert:

x=unknown quantity
spurt=a drip under pressure

Thank you.

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My own favourite definition of expert.

ex - used to be
pert - sharp



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Note that "Experts" are very frequently self appointed, "Specialists" have the respect of those around them.
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ratty1 - you are indeed correct - proof readin is a last art!
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My nick comes from the film 'Angels 15' - ie 15,000 feet.
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