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Has any body on pre Oct 89 TOS (Reserved rights) been offered PAS?
Have they accepted?
The benefits I receive monthly as a result of pre Oct 89 TOS and AFPS 75 make me VERY happy indeed!
Have they accepted?
The benefits I receive monthly as a result of pre Oct 89 TOS and AFPS 75 make me VERY happy indeed!
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Knackered 48 Year old?
It is the knackered 40+ types with no axe to grind, no career to push and no nose to brown that will grasp the nettle and inform, off line of course, the seniors that they may wish to reconsider some of there more irrational decisions. I never wanted to be 'Deputy OIC the Woodwork Club' so why should I do it just to get promoted. I would like to recount a scene from a fast jet crewroom some years ago:
Sqn Ldr Flt Cdr "I think we should be doing more lights-out night intercepts'
Knackered 40+ Spec Aircrew type "Why don't we see if we can get it right with the lights 'on' first?"
That, to me, sums up the requirement for PAS/Spec Aircrew/Wisdom of age knackered 40+ types
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Sqn Ldr Flt Cdr "I think we should be doing more lights-out night intercepts'
Knackered 40+ Spec Aircrew type "Why don't we see if we can get it right with the lights 'on' first?"
That, to me, sums up the requirement for PAS/Spec Aircrew/Wisdom of age knackered 40+ types
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Gorrilla,
Not wishing to gloat but I, like a few others, was on reserved rights, got offered PAS transferred to the new pension scheme and am now laughing all the way to the bank. Now looking forward to retirng at 55, travelling the world and living in the sun, some days I love my job
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
Not wishing to gloat but I, like a few others, was on reserved rights, got offered PAS transferred to the new pension scheme and am now laughing all the way to the bank. Now looking forward to retirng at 55, travelling the world and living in the sun, some days I love my job
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
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That's excellent news matey! I was begining to think from some of the things I had heard on here that all pre Oct 89 TOS guys had been snubbed. Glad to see that isn't so in the loadie world!
TG
That's excellent news matey! I was begining to think from some of the things I had heard on here that all pre Oct 89 TOS guys had been snubbed. Glad to see that isn't so in the loadie world!
TG
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Originally Posted by South Bound
Ah yes, but careful targetting could lead to increased departures in other areas leading to more careful targetting until it goes around in a great big circle and all the aircrew get a payrise!
Personally I vote for UAVs....
Personally I vote for UAVs....
PLEASE REFRAIN FROM USING BAD LANGUAGE IN THIS FORUM. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
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Originally Posted by BootFlap
I have a cunning plan! They could tell us we are getting a new FRI, paid through JPA, send us all out to Iran for the next installation of Blair vs The Rest, see how many of us come back and then cancel it as we will have lost that many aircraft we have no need to retain aircrew! Obviously all written with tongue firmly in cheek........................... although?
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Any hard facts?
My decision ( 1 year to go) really is imminent - I have recently got the PAS Offer that I wanted, but Mates on the outside can virtually guarantee an Airline job if I leave, and Mrs Entity is leaning that way. My decision must be made by Mid-Jul. Has anybody got any solid gossip? My Desk O is a nice chap and says that an announcement is 'pending' - whatever that means - any advice re: an FRI would be welcome. At the end of the day, it might be a bit mercenary, but a lump of cash would retain me (I might stay anyway - can't decide!).
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As a fence sitter in Oz in a similar situation, I waited over a year for a 'review' into Aircrew retention (possible contracts, Spec aircrew, retention benefit, pensions etc etc et al.....). Only to be told that the Minister for Defence will set up a review committee that would embrace a larger issue (retention in all ranks & services). Needless to say the Aircrew review lost the plot..... and I finally left!.
Jump ship. The grass IS greener!
Jump ship. The grass IS greener!
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Don't believe a single word that PMA and DOs/posters tell or promise you about FRI, postings or PAS......................................................... ...............................................NOT A SINGLE FECKING WORD!!!
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OK Purely Hearsay,
The DO was in town today and the word on the street was that FRI is going to be very much aimed at SO2 pilots/qfis/qwis on the career stream and also but to a much lesser extent at pas pilots/qfis/qwis.
Now the figures mentioned, purely rumour, no guarantees (where have we heard that) were in excess of 100,000 after tax for CS Sqn Ldrs. And more like the 18K bonuses for those on PA terms.
I didn't speak to DO but thats what was talk of the crew room.
"Boss, any chance of a good write up this year please"
We need the information from PMA, like yesterday.
The DO was in town today and the word on the street was that FRI is going to be very much aimed at SO2 pilots/qfis/qwis on the career stream and also but to a much lesser extent at pas pilots/qfis/qwis.
Now the figures mentioned, purely rumour, no guarantees (where have we heard that) were in excess of 100,000 after tax for CS Sqn Ldrs. And more like the 18K bonuses for those on PA terms.
I didn't speak to DO but thats what was talk of the crew room.
"Boss, any chance of a good write up this year please"
We need the information from PMA, like yesterday.
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Well it is a rumour network after all.....
Given the workload / frustration of Everyday life, an offer like this could still not keep me in...
Quality of life and personal beliefs are far too important when compared to working for these toothless poodles and incompetant 'gung ho' leaders. Too many corners have been cut recently and I for one believe it's spiralling out of control.
Time to go and start enjoying life, instead of dreading that next phone call...
Ta ra
Given the workload / frustration of Everyday life, an offer like this could still not keep me in...
Quality of life and personal beliefs are far too important when compared to working for these toothless poodles and incompetant 'gung ho' leaders. Too many corners have been cut recently and I for one believe it's spiralling out of control.
Time to go and start enjoying life, instead of dreading that next phone call...
Ta ra
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It won't work
If this rumour is to be believed, then I am sure it will retain one or two Sqn Ldr's, depending on the term they are required to serve without having to repay it (more than 5 years - no chance). However, we all know that any 'targetted' bonus will be devisive, but how about such a sum to this particularly disillusioned bunch?
Or how about my mate Bloggs?
'Sorry Bloggs, but you just missed the promotion that you've been hoping for - but you might get PAS if you're lucky - don't worry old bean, you're a good chap and you nearly got picked up - it'll only cost you 100 Grand'.
Redress the promotion board anyone? How about a redress of the Stn Cdr because he gave the Mess Sec job to somebody else and you need it for promotion and the 100K bonus that will make your life a lot better. Do the secondary 'promotion' duties now go to Stn Cdr's favourites, or do the Promotion Board get to have a say, recommending those who 'nearly' made it last year?
By the way, lots of mates have left for the airlines recently, they all got jobs immediately (it is easy out there - and I'm talking fast jet and rotary mates - not multi boys with 1000's of hrs in a Tristar), and are all earning (with route/sector pay etc) at least as much as they were in the RAF. Add in the gratuity(especially if max commutation is realised, then divide by 5) and the pension over 5 years, and a 100K bonus for a 5 year bond is is about what you would get if you left and took the money that you had coming - and you'd be on a MUCH bigger salary ladder and in control of your life.
Hang on a minute...why am I struggling with this decision?
It's nice to know that the issue is (hopefully) being addressed, but the figures don't add up - these numbers (if true) are poorly thought out and far too small to retain intelligent people who want to leave . - Hello CAS!! You are giving us the money that you would have to give us anyway if we left. Just because we're not Air Officer's, doesn't mean we're stupid. Oh, and the PA Spine might be good, but it ain't that good.
The water's are clearing and the answer is appearing. Decision becoming easier with this rumour (if it's true)
Or how about my mate Bloggs?
'Sorry Bloggs, but you just missed the promotion that you've been hoping for - but you might get PAS if you're lucky - don't worry old bean, you're a good chap and you nearly got picked up - it'll only cost you 100 Grand'.
Redress the promotion board anyone? How about a redress of the Stn Cdr because he gave the Mess Sec job to somebody else and you need it for promotion and the 100K bonus that will make your life a lot better. Do the secondary 'promotion' duties now go to Stn Cdr's favourites, or do the Promotion Board get to have a say, recommending those who 'nearly' made it last year?
By the way, lots of mates have left for the airlines recently, they all got jobs immediately (it is easy out there - and I'm talking fast jet and rotary mates - not multi boys with 1000's of hrs in a Tristar), and are all earning (with route/sector pay etc) at least as much as they were in the RAF. Add in the gratuity(especially if max commutation is realised, then divide by 5) and the pension over 5 years, and a 100K bonus for a 5 year bond is is about what you would get if you left and took the money that you had coming - and you'd be on a MUCH bigger salary ladder and in control of your life.
Hang on a minute...why am I struggling with this decision?
It's nice to know that the issue is (hopefully) being addressed, but the figures don't add up - these numbers (if true) are poorly thought out and far too small to retain intelligent people who want to leave . - Hello CAS!! You are giving us the money that you would have to give us anyway if we left. Just because we're not Air Officer's, doesn't mean we're stupid. Oh, and the PA Spine might be good, but it ain't that good.
The water's are clearing and the answer is appearing. Decision becoming easier with this rumour (if it's true)
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It's nice to know that the issue is (hopefully) being addressed, but...
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By the way, lots of mates have left for the airlines recently, they all got jobs immediately (it is easy out there - and I'm talking fast jet and rotary mates - not multi boys with 1000's of hrs in a Tristar), and are all earning (with route/sector pay etc) at least as much as they were in the RAF. Add in the gratuity(especially if max commutation is realised, then divide by 5) and the pension over 5 years, and a 100K bonus for a 5 year bond is is about what you would get if you left and took the money that you had coming - and you'd be on a MUCH bigger salary ladder and in control of your life.
Don't ever believe that working for an airline gives you control over your life. The only control is to have your own business and even then you will work all hours but at least for no other b*ggers benefit!!
Don't ever believe that working for an airline gives you control over your life. The only control is to have your own business and even then you will work all hours but at least for no other b*ggers benefit!!
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Moment of choice
Well, the time has come and gone, and the decision has been made. After 15 yrs of flying for HM Forces (and loved (almost) every minute of it )- I left the decision on whether to stay until the last minute. Spoke to my DO and a few colleagues in 'high places' this week, about the future, career progression (simply more time away, according to DO), and the FRI (A good one would have worked for another 5 yrs or so). All I got told was that the FRI situation would be 'clarified' in the very near future. Too late for me, I'm afraid - I told PMA that I would consider staying but wanted to know the deal - they are obviously not short of pilots or instructors - if you think they are , then perhaps you are mistaken. I will not accept my offer of PAS, and am taking my 4000+hrs and 600+ operational sorties and leaving - I sent the paperwork this morning, and arranged an interview with ThompsonFly this afternoon. It was easy, and am seeing Ryanair and Easy next month.
Maybe it's just me, but I genuinly think that the RAF wants to actively get rid of experienced pilots so it can pay less money to inexperienced guys who are much lower down the payscales, and damn the consequences.
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Even a new FRI may not help
Just a quick thought, will a new FRI actually keep pilots in the RAF? The reason I ask is that I have pvr'ed and will have to return £30,000 that I was given a few years ago as a retention bonus. Due to quality of life issues it's a small price to pay.
Quality of life will at some stage take precidence over a short term bonus. The civil aviation market is so strong at the moment that high caliber pilots are in demand and quality jobs with quality companies are obtained with just a little work and prep.
This isn't a moan or a gripe, I've been in the RAF for a long time and enjoyed most of it. However, at some stage the constant fighting against petty paperwork, rules and regs that are unflexible and overwhelming has to take it's tole. Careers outside don't have JPA or Ord Off or CSS or Sec duties or constant niff naff and trivia or fitness tests or tents in the sand or constant deployments or soaring divorce rates or ... oh well, you get the idea!
I'm sure that life outside isn't lush lush green grass but at least it's green and not brown.
Quality of life will at some stage take precidence over a short term bonus. The civil aviation market is so strong at the moment that high caliber pilots are in demand and quality jobs with quality companies are obtained with just a little work and prep.
This isn't a moan or a gripe, I've been in the RAF for a long time and enjoyed most of it. However, at some stage the constant fighting against petty paperwork, rules and regs that are unflexible and overwhelming has to take it's tole. Careers outside don't have JPA or Ord Off or CSS or Sec duties or constant niff naff and trivia or fitness tests or tents in the sand or constant deployments or soaring divorce rates or ... oh well, you get the idea!
I'm sure that life outside isn't lush lush green grass but at least it's green and not brown.