WSOP PAY UPBANDING?
At least JPA will put a stop to the age old aircrew response to blunties complaining that why do aircrew get flying pay.
"You should have done better at skool, and you could get flying pay".
How many educated aircrew have not got their flying pay this month?
Maybe they should have done even better at skool!
All spilling mistiks cos I didnt do very wel at skool
"You should have done better at skool, and you could get flying pay".
How many educated aircrew have not got their flying pay this month?
Maybe they should have done even better at skool!
All spilling mistiks cos I didnt do very wel at skool
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ABIW,
"It's quite simple really Army SNCO's all fly pretty basic stuff because that's all they are capable of",
More than a little harsh in your assessment of our AAC colleagues, dont you think the Apache is a little more than basic? The army have a lot of skilled pilots, a huge proportion of whom are NCO's, and have equal if not better skills than many of our own. I cant see that flying our multi engine aircraft on route flying is any more difficult than flying an army helicopter, indeed i would imagine it is more difficult.
As i am writing this i just heard on sky of a helicopter down in Basrah, lets hope its not too bad news, and that the guys/gals are ok
"It's quite simple really Army SNCO's all fly pretty basic stuff because that's all they are capable of",
More than a little harsh in your assessment of our AAC colleagues, dont you think the Apache is a little more than basic? The army have a lot of skilled pilots, a huge proportion of whom are NCO's, and have equal if not better skills than many of our own. I cant see that flying our multi engine aircraft on route flying is any more difficult than flying an army helicopter, indeed i would imagine it is more difficult.
As i am writing this i just heard on sky of a helicopter down in Basrah, lets hope its not too bad news, and that the guys/gals are ok
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Originally Posted by ZH875
At least JPA will put a stop to the age old aircrew response to blunties complaining that why do aircrew get flying pay.
"You should have done better at skool, and you could get flying pay".
How many educated aircrew have not got their flying pay this month?
Maybe they should have done even better at skool!
All spilling mistiks cos I didnt do very wel at skool
"You should have done better at skool, and you could get flying pay".
How many educated aircrew have not got their flying pay this month?
Maybe they should have done even better at skool!
All spilling mistiks cos I didnt do very wel at skool
Latest news is that there is no news!
However, I spoke to PMA 33c on a recent visit and his opinion was that no news is good news. Needless to say I didn't share his sense of optimism.
I have also heard from a reliable source in the loft corridors of power that Strike command are struggling/unwilling to fund any increase.
Maybe we should follow the army's example and set up a federation (Sunday Times story). I would be interested to hear how they are getting on and how they set it up. Perhaps then there would be a way to let people that matter now how f
g pd off people get when they don't now how much there pay is going to be in the future! Still its not that important as this issue doesn’t affect any O's. At least there aren’t any wars to fight!!
You aint seen me right.
However, I spoke to PMA 33c on a recent visit and his opinion was that no news is good news. Needless to say I didn't share his sense of optimism.
I have also heard from a reliable source in the loft corridors of power that Strike command are struggling/unwilling to fund any increase.
Maybe we should follow the army's example and set up a federation (Sunday Times story). I would be interested to hear how they are getting on and how they set it up. Perhaps then there would be a way to let people that matter now how f
g pd off people get when they don't now how much there pay is going to be in the future! Still its not that important as this issue doesn’t affect any O's. At least there aren’t any wars to fight!!You aint seen me right.
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Hang in there WSOp's...
The JSJET findings were concluded and presented to MOD at the end of 05!! Their recommendations have proved to be hard pill to swallow for the treasury - so its now at 2* level - and is being positively pursued!! But why someone from the high level pay chain can't or won't say what is going on is abhorrant - but is only typical of our leadership! 
Lets face it - some senior individual probably got lots of brownie points for the trade merger, NCA PAS and getting rid of the commissioned cadre - but now its pay back time!!! literally.......and with BAFF on the horizon they had better come up with the goods or the future manning problems will be far worse than they are now!
Lets face it - some senior individual probably got lots of brownie points for the trade merger, NCA PAS and getting rid of the commissioned cadre - but now its pay back time!!! literally.......and with BAFF on the horizon they had better come up with the goods or the future manning problems will be far worse than they are now!
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Round and round it goes
Mmmm... I read this thread with interest. Having been around the RAF for 35+ years (well over 20 flying as NCA) I've watched the wheel go round and round. Seems to me there was a v similar revolt back in the 90s when AEOps were downbanded! All the shouting and outcrying meant nothing then, either. Lots of threats of the sound of doors slamming behind the last one out and lights being left on. I dont recall a mass exodus then and I'll bet in 5 years time the hole left by those WSOP (ALMs) leaving in droves will be just as noticeable.
BTW... SNCO aircrew were invented for POW reasons way back when. NCO pilots (and Navs) disappeared around the time that the big red 'N' buttons appeared on contols sticks. Had the V bombers had Air Engineers, they'd all've been commissioned too. (No NCO AEOps on that fleet). The rank held by aircrew has nothing to do with responsibility (except that only Commissioned Officers could be trusted to deliver buckets of sunshine.) It was all about how you'd be treated by the black booted SS (or similar)!
I sympathise with the current crop of WSOps who feel they've been poorly treated...and they have....but they're not the first....and wont be the last!
BTW... SNCO aircrew were invented for POW reasons way back when. NCO pilots (and Navs) disappeared around the time that the big red 'N' buttons appeared on contols sticks. Had the V bombers had Air Engineers, they'd all've been commissioned too. (No NCO AEOps on that fleet). The rank held by aircrew has nothing to do with responsibility (except that only Commissioned Officers could be trusted to deliver buckets of sunshine.) It was all about how you'd be treated by the black booted SS (or similar)!
I sympathise with the current crop of WSOps who feel they've been poorly treated...and they have....but they're not the first....and wont be the last!
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Sounds like all "Smoke & Mirrors" to me. I honestly can't be hopeful for any trade parity, the "firm" does not have previous for being straight up on these matters.
Still willing to eat my hat, if required.
Still willing to eat my hat, if required.
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They say " No news is good news", but I can't believe that PMA would sit on good, morale boosting stuff like this for long.
The way I see it there are 2 options. All WSOp's will be paid the same, all Sgt's will stay on the high band (for recruitment reasons) and all MACR and FS's will be on the same band. Now for the $64,000 question. Do ALM's go up or do AE's and Eng's go down?
Seeing as one of the big plus points for the ALM's going up (Sar Boys) have just been sold off, what are the chances of the former being correct?
I wouldn't take out that car loan just yet!!
I live in hope, but am realistic about the way todays company is run (or is that cynical!!)
The way I see it there are 2 options. All WSOp's will be paid the same, all Sgt's will stay on the high band (for recruitment reasons) and all MACR and FS's will be on the same band. Now for the $64,000 question. Do ALM's go up or do AE's and Eng's go down?
Seeing as one of the big plus points for the ALM's going up (Sar Boys) have just been sold off, what are the chances of the former being correct?
I wouldn't take out that car loan just yet!!
I live in hope, but am realistic about the way todays company is run (or is that cynical!!)
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This all smacks of delaying tactics. The announcement has been so long in coming out it wouldn't surprise me if they delayed the whole thing until next years AFPRB report. That way they can continue to prevaricate and save some money.
As to which way it will go, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that the cheap option would be to make the Eng and AE mark time and to leave the pay rises to work the rest out. Completely unfair and frustrating but, let's face it, it has ever been thus!!
As to which way it will go, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that the cheap option would be to make the Eng and AE mark time and to leave the pay rises to work the rest out. Completely unfair and frustrating but, let's face it, it has ever been thus!!
Originally Posted by c130jbloke
Where do you think the money will come from to support an (approx) £ 10/ day pay rise for x WSOps ? Once somebody puts together the mother of all business cases to support the spend, or the impact statement which would make AMP have kittens, as he is presented with a real and unsustainable meltdown in WSOp manning , then you have a chance. I totally agree with your point fellas, but bend over and smile................
What will have more of an effect is freezing the pay of the remaining WSOps. Not necessarily on the AEOps or Engs (though I doubt many will have to leave to have a big impact on some vital fleets) but more so on the trade people forget about. I suspect a pay freeze will have a very bad effect on the air signalers of 51 the secret sqn, as they to are WSOps.
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As someone on the PA spine my lot is good enough so I don't give a plate of monkeybum stew about how it affects me. I just hope all my fellow ALM's out there have the years of inequality properly and fairly addressed, and if that means some enter the pay structure above me then good on you fella's as it's not before time
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