Future Carrier (Including Costs)
I have the impression,looking back through previous designs, that the British Navy has always carried less anti- air weaponry than equivalent vessels in other navies... which is a bit of a surprise.....
Suspicion breeds confidence
I was in Stanley last nov and was amazed at how poor relations seemed to be between the military and the islanders (and the Islanders!!)
Suspicion breeds confidence
I would like to be a fly on the wall for that one. Perhaps you could post any relevant facts. I've reached out to Marcantillian and hoping to meet him in BA on 21st.
Well whatever happens its still a long drive for a QE2 to the Falklands tho I don't get the feeling that the current Argentinean Govt has it on their list of priorities
Considering she's a floating hotel in Dubai I doubt there'd be much incentive for her owners to take her there either.
Whoops............... 
According to today's BBC the Prime-Minister-in-Waiting will say he's going to send the QE to challenge the Chinese..................
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47192232
The UK needs a bolder and stronger armed forces prepared to use "hard power" or risk being seen as a "paper tiger", the defence secretary will say.
Gavin Williamson will warn in a speech that Britain must stand up to those who "flout international law". He will also say that the UK has its "greatest opportunity" to redefine its position on the world stage after Brexit.
Labour said the military had been "completely undermined" by Tory cuts.
Speaking at the Royal United Services Institute on Monday, Mr Williamson will unveil plans to modernise the armed forces, and say it must increase its "mass and lethality". He will also confirm the Royal Navy's new aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth is being deployed to the Pacific region, where China has been involved in a dispute over territorial claims in the South China Sea. The carrier will take part in the mission along with F-35 jets from the UK and US.
Mr Williamson is to use his speech to outline how cyber forces will be reinforced thanks to a "very significant investment", which will be used both to defend and launch attacks. The defence secretary won an extra £1.8bn for defence in the last budget. With the boundaries between peace and war becoming "blurred" - particularly by Russia and China, he will claim - Mr Williamson will say Britain and its allies had to be ready "to use hard power to support our interests". He will go on to say: "We have to be ready to show the high price of aggressive behaviour. Ready to strengthen our resilience." Defending interventionist policy, he will say the cost of failing to act in global crises had often been "unacceptably high", and that Western powers cannot "walk on by when others are in need". "To talk but fail to act risks our nation being seen as little more than a paper tiger," he will add.
Shadow defence secretary Nia Griffith said: "The UK's ability to play our role on the international stage has been completely undermined by eight years of Tory defence cuts. "The Conservatives have slashed the defence budget by over £9bn in real terms since 2010 and they are cutting armed forces numbers year after year. Instead of simply engaging in yet more sabre-rattling, Gavin Williamson should get to grips with the crisis in defence funding that is happening on his watch."
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47192232
The UK needs a bolder and stronger armed forces prepared to use "hard power" or risk being seen as a "paper tiger", the defence secretary will say.
Gavin Williamson will warn in a speech that Britain must stand up to those who "flout international law". He will also say that the UK has its "greatest opportunity" to redefine its position on the world stage after Brexit.
Labour said the military had been "completely undermined" by Tory cuts.
Speaking at the Royal United Services Institute on Monday, Mr Williamson will unveil plans to modernise the armed forces, and say it must increase its "mass and lethality". He will also confirm the Royal Navy's new aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth is being deployed to the Pacific region, where China has been involved in a dispute over territorial claims in the South China Sea. The carrier will take part in the mission along with F-35 jets from the UK and US.
Mr Williamson is to use his speech to outline how cyber forces will be reinforced thanks to a "very significant investment", which will be used both to defend and launch attacks. The defence secretary won an extra £1.8bn for defence in the last budget. With the boundaries between peace and war becoming "blurred" - particularly by Russia and China, he will claim - Mr Williamson will say Britain and its allies had to be ready "to use hard power to support our interests". He will go on to say: "We have to be ready to show the high price of aggressive behaviour. Ready to strengthen our resilience." Defending interventionist policy, he will say the cost of failing to act in global crises had often been "unacceptably high", and that Western powers cannot "walk on by when others are in need". "To talk but fail to act risks our nation being seen as little more than a paper tiger," he will add.
Shadow defence secretary Nia Griffith said: "The UK's ability to play our role on the international stage has been completely undermined by eight years of Tory defence cuts. "The Conservatives have slashed the defence budget by over £9bn in real terms since 2010 and they are cutting armed forces numbers year after year. Instead of simply engaging in yet more sabre-rattling, Gavin Williamson should get to grips with the crisis in defence funding that is happening on his watch."
Wow, the Chinese will be terrified, sabre rattling mister Williamson should stick to selling fireplaces!
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Now where's the money coming from for those?
And as for the Chinese trip when will the RN have a worked up F-35 group?/
All b******* IMHO - his Monday morning play for news headlines - I understand Heseltine did the same I heard...
And as for the Chinese trip when will the RN have a worked up F-35 group?/
All b******* IMHO - his Monday morning play for news headlines - I understand Heseltine did the same I heard...
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More on the subject in The Times today.
UK sends aircraft carrier to Pacific in show of strength to China
UK sends aircraft carrier to Pacific in show of strength to China
Interesting the ex Captain of QE, Jeremy Kydd quoted saying
"“We are constrained by the F-35 buy rate even though that was accelerated in SDSR in 2015, so initial operating capability numbers in 2020 are going to be very modest indeed.
We will flesh it out with helicopters, and a lot depends on how many USMC F-35s come on our first deployment in 2021. But by 2023, we are committed to 24 UK jets onboard, and after that it’s too far away to say.”
Well plenty of time to prepare a welcoming committee then - and the Chinese will probably have three carriers by then .........
Shades of the last visit of a "Prince of Wales" in that area.......
Shades of the last visit of a "Prince of Wales" in that area.......
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This is all published and publically available. IOC Carrier is December 2020 with F35 and Crowsnest. As far as I am aware, that plan is still tracking to date. The plan has always been a flag waving far east trip in 2021.
this seems to be delusional... are the RN REALLY thinking they may fight the Chinese???
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I thought this infographic I had seen from 2017 was official, but it seems it was created by Save The Royal Navy from various sources, Seems we are still tracking to this.
https://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/tim...arrier-strike/
Like that graphic - truly a picture is worth a thousand words
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Seems we're buying a couple of these as well......
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-t...pecial-forces/
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-t...pecial-forces/
I like the flight deck on pillars idea, maybe the BrahMos will just fly right through...