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I'm pretty sure the last time someone attacked another country's fleet it escalated to nuclear retaliation. Of course they had to invent the bomb first but still.
The answer is no, in the case of Shanghai, a city of 24 Million people. "Another strategic target" depends on what the target is, how it is attacked and the collateral.
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You sound very sure of yourself. I wonder if Trump, Mattis, and Adm Mullen agree with you. I have my doubts. The US military had little compunctions about bombing Hanoi and no CBG was remotely threatened, never mind nuked. And the US military was desirous and even anxious to nuke China during the Korean War when no CBG was threatened, never mind nuked.
And even if Shanghai were not conventionally bombed, would the US hesitate to mine every significant Chinese port and for good measure also bomb a significant number of "pure military targets?"
And even if Shanghai were not conventionally bombed, would the US hesitate to mine every significant Chinese port and for good measure also bomb a significant number of "pure military targets?"
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Well it was supposed to be Pax River for the aircraft and Norfolk VA for the ship. Might be a bit of sweeping up to do after Florence... messy girl!
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There's an old saying dating back to WW2. If you shoot at a squad of troops, how do you know who they are?
If you get accurate return fire with rifles, they are Brits
If you get return fire with machine guns, they are Germans
If nothing happens for 10 minutes, but then your position is obliterated with an artillery barrage, they're Americans.
For good or ill, the American military mind set is to use overwhelming firepower. That's doubly true after the Vietnam experience. Remember that the US entered WW2 because a bunch of battleships were sunk on a fairly remote island outpost not even part of the US homeland. Take a look at any photos of Dresden and Tokyo after WW2 and then try to sell the notion of "proportionality". That dog won't hunt. Proportionality in a full on war is a pipe dream.
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Since her arrival in Mayport, Queen Elizabeth appears to have gone silent regarding the media and Twitter. Some fools might think she has been idling in port, waiting for the weather to prove. No! She has been doing warm water trials.
Those trials will have involved flying.
In the last few days, she has arrived at Norfolk:
Those trials will have involved flying.
In the last few days, she has arrived at Norfolk:
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I saw that on the documentary in 2011 - the fact that SDSR 10 was not a terminal blow for RN carrier aviation speaks volumes about how rugged and innovative the Navy, and the people in it, can be.
SQEP!
Last Harrier landing in 2011? Eh?
Fleet Commander embarked - what about the First Sea Lord?
Flag Foxtrot coming soon.
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".... the fact that SDSR 10 was not a terminal blow for RN carrier aviation speaks volumes about how rugged and innovative the Navy, and the people in it, can be."
"....The bastard ought to work for Intourist, Ramius told himself, except that Gorkiy is a city closed to foreigners. He had been there twice. It had struck him as a typical Soviet city, full of ramshackle buildings, dirty streets, and ill-clad citizens. As it was in most Russian cities, winter was Gorkiy's best season. The snow hid all the dirt...."
"....The bastard ought to work for Intourist, Ramius told himself, except that Gorkiy is a city closed to foreigners. He had been there twice. It had struck him as a typical Soviet city, full of ramshackle buildings, dirty streets, and ill-clad citizens. As it was in most Russian cities, winter was Gorkiy's best season. The snow hid all the dirt...."
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It is believed the first F-35B landings aboard HMS Queen Elizabeth have taken place earlier this week. Official statements and photos/videos will be released tomorrow, Friday 28th September. In the meantime we have to make do with this artist's impression of the event:
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Why's he/she got the airbrake up?