Future Carrier (Including Costs)
"It has needed only one or two chiefs to fall on their swords (and forgo the Lords) for the poltics to change favourably."
In the past Ministers and Admirals have resigned and it's had zero impact - and that was when the public thought about the Navy a lot. These days it would make the bottom of page 5 in the Times if they were lucky.
In the past Ministers and Admirals have resigned and it's had zero impact - and that was when the public thought about the Navy a lot. These days it would make the bottom of page 5 in the Times if they were lucky.
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"It has needed only one or two chiefs to fall on their swords (and forgo the Lords) for the poltics to change favourably."
In the past Ministers and Admirals have resigned and it's had zero impact - and that was when the public thought about the Navy a lot. These days it would make the bottom of page 5 in the Times if they were lucky.
In the past Ministers and Admirals have resigned and it's had zero impact - and that was when the public thought about the Navy a lot. These days it would make the bottom of page 5 in the Times if they were lucky.
I think the tabloids, the red tops and the Mail could easily do a bit of stirring on a quiet day.
Anyway, it will not happen, the last leadership we saw was the Falklands, PM and RN.
Made not a diddly squat of difference.
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Yes - in Victorian and Edwardian days the going on the RN were front page news at all levels.
These days - no-one is interested in any serious military discussion TBH
These days - no-one is interested in any serious military discussion TBH
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Great job by Naval News! We should see MOJAVE on HMS Prince of Wales in November. This also indirectly tells us that we'll probably have Bedford Array F-35B shipborne rolling vertical landing trials, because that was in PoW's original program off coast of the US already last year.
https://t.co/dL3W06bHtu
Royal Navy Plans Carrier Trial For Mojave STOL UAS
A number of drone trials were planned to be part of HMS Prince of Wales WESTLANT deployment, along with Shipborne Rolling Vertical Landing work with F-35B. We could now get all of that this autumn, while Queen Elizabeth is also expected to be deployed. That would be impressive.
Also, "GA-ASI has worked with an unnamed radar house to explore a twin radar pod mission kit" for the Airborne Early Warning application. That's also great. I wonder if it has anything to do with...
https://t.co/dL3W06bHtu
Royal Navy Plans Carrier Trial For Mojave STOL UAS
A number of drone trials were planned to be part of HMS Prince of Wales WESTLANT deployment, along with Shipborne Rolling Vertical Landing work with F-35B. We could now get all of that this autumn, while Queen Elizabeth is also expected to be deployed. That would be impressive.
Also, "GA-ASI has worked with an unnamed radar house to explore a twin radar pod mission kit" for the Airborne Early Warning application. That's also great. I wonder if it has anything to do with...
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Interesting...
Cats & traps?
Cats & traps?
Interesting...
Cats & traps?
Cats & traps?
Quite where the cash will come from seems to be missing........................ and another review in 2025!!
Tho' I can see a case for smuggling a few C-130's back on charge one day - probably "borrowed" from someone else
Tho' I can see a case for smuggling a few C-130's back on charge one day - probably "borrowed" from someone else
Why the bright sparks calling the shots ever went for the ski jump only Carrier design is just impossible to understand.
Why sacrifice commonality with other NATO Carriers and go it alone as was done?
What a huge waste of money.....and now if the decision is made to go the Cat and Trap route.....Which Heads find their way to the tip of a Pike?
The original geniuses or the current set?
Why sacrifice commonality with other NATO Carriers and go it alone as was done?
What a huge waste of money.....and now if the decision is made to go the Cat and Trap route.....Which Heads find their way to the tip of a Pike?
The original geniuses or the current set?
Blame the Chinese. Now we've got to have them too if we have a presence in the far east.
Should have done it the first time around, but back then we were struggling to imagine what an enemy might look like in a world that had evolved beyond war.
Oh, and Turkey has had some original ideas in the light of drone warfare. Evolution ahead.
Should have done it the first time around, but back then we were struggling to imagine what an enemy might look like in a world that had evolved beyond war.
Oh, and Turkey has had some original ideas in the light of drone warfare. Evolution ahead.
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My quick squizz sees only lightweight 'cats 'nflaps' ops and no money for any of it? But I've only read this: https://www.navylookout.com/the-roya...viation-force/
A World that has evolved past War.....the Impossible Dream!
When has there not been War on this Blue and Green Orb we live upon?
When has there not been War on this Blue and Green Orb we live upon?
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Interesting graphics & text (I missed the conclusion of it all earlier): https://www.navalnews.com/wp-content...-Royal-QEC.jpg & https://www.navylookout.com/the-roya...viation-force/
The Royal Navy has ambitious plans for its Future Maritime Aviation Force 02 Jun 2023
https://www.navylookout.com/the-roya...viation-force/
“...The RN has initiated project ARK ROYAL to study how the QEC carriers could be adapted to support future aircraft. FMAF development will be incremental, moving from VSTOL-only to STOL platforms and then potentially significantly modifying the flight deck to support STOBAR and CATOBAR flight profiles.
The QEC is an ‘adaptable carrier’ but this really just amounts to spare spaces within the ship. There is a gallery deck below the flight deck with capacity available to accept catapults and the arrestor gear equipment but it would not be cheap to purchase and integrate the new ALRE, power supplies and control systems. Creating an angled deck is the only safe solution and extending the port sponson slightly would help deconflict with F-35B operations.
Funding is far from assured and this would not be realised before the 2030s but the ultimate ambition is to have a highly capable hybrid carrier that can still operate F-35Bs using a ramp but also has two electro-magnetic catapults and arrestor wires. This would allow the operation of large UAS as well as conventional allied fixed-wing aircraft and future-proof the carriers to carry all kinds of future air vehicles. Notably the longer port cat would allow operation of the Boeing MQ-25 Stingray – a dedicated Air-Air Refuelling UAS developed for the US Navy which would hugely increase operating radius of the F-35s.
A distinction needs to be drawn between the CATOBAR carriers with F-35C planned in 2010 and the new vision for 2030s. In 2012 a pragmatic decision was taken to abandon this configuration in favour of VSTOL on grounds of cost and complexity. To fully implement Project ARK ROYAL will be expensive but is more scaleable and has lower people requirement both in the air and on the ship than the 2010 plan. A first step or more affordable compromise could be just to fit the single star-board cat for UAS-only launches. The priority must be the operation of VIXEN-class UAS that can act a loyal wingman to F-35B, adding mass, reach and strike potential to the carrier airwing.”
The Royal Navy has ambitious plans for its Future Maritime Aviation Force 02 Jun 2023
https://www.navylookout.com/the-roya...viation-force/
“...The RN has initiated project ARK ROYAL to study how the QEC carriers could be adapted to support future aircraft. FMAF development will be incremental, moving from VSTOL-only to STOL platforms and then potentially significantly modifying the flight deck to support STOBAR and CATOBAR flight profiles.
The QEC is an ‘adaptable carrier’ but this really just amounts to spare spaces within the ship. There is a gallery deck below the flight deck with capacity available to accept catapults and the arrestor gear equipment but it would not be cheap to purchase and integrate the new ALRE, power supplies and control systems. Creating an angled deck is the only safe solution and extending the port sponson slightly would help deconflict with F-35B operations.
Funding is far from assured and this would not be realised before the 2030s but the ultimate ambition is to have a highly capable hybrid carrier that can still operate F-35Bs using a ramp but also has two electro-magnetic catapults and arrestor wires. This would allow the operation of large UAS as well as conventional allied fixed-wing aircraft and future-proof the carriers to carry all kinds of future air vehicles. Notably the longer port cat would allow operation of the Boeing MQ-25 Stingray – a dedicated Air-Air Refuelling UAS developed for the US Navy which would hugely increase operating radius of the F-35s.
A distinction needs to be drawn between the CATOBAR carriers with F-35C planned in 2010 and the new vision for 2030s. In 2012 a pragmatic decision was taken to abandon this configuration in favour of VSTOL on grounds of cost and complexity. To fully implement Project ARK ROYAL will be expensive but is more scaleable and has lower people requirement both in the air and on the ship than the 2010 plan. A first step or more affordable compromise could be just to fit the single star-board cat for UAS-only launches. The priority must be the operation of VIXEN-class UAS that can act a loyal wingman to F-35B, adding mass, reach and strike potential to the carrier airwing.”
when it looks as if we're going down to 10 or less frigates and a handful of SSN's you really have to wonder why people are coming up with a plan to spend even more on the carriers
RN never seems to have a consistent message regarding fixed-wing aviation....
Other than attacking the RAF of course.
Other than attacking the RAF of course.