Future Carrier (Including Costs)
from articles in the press it sounds as if the PoW will be at Rosyth for quite a while.
long article in today's Times listing the woes of the PoW
It does make the point that we're desperately short of aircraft to put on the carriers tho'
It does make the point that we're desperately short of aircraft to put on the carriers tho'
Responding to ORAC about the Flying Jet Pack........
To what end?
What wonderful new capability does that bring....allow the Admiral to self transport to other ships and enable the scraping of the Admiral's Barge?
I cannot imagine it being very stealthy....and unless you could m make like the flying monkey hordes in the "Wizard of Oz"....space age boarding of enemy combatants would not be very feasible.
It is interesting to watch....but crossing the next hurtle of finding a mission for it is going to be the hard bit I am thinking.
To what end?
What wonderful new capability does that bring....allow the Admiral to self transport to other ships and enable the scraping of the Admiral's Barge?
I cannot imagine it being very stealthy....and unless you could m make like the flying monkey hordes in the "Wizard of Oz"....space age boarding of enemy combatants would not be very feasible.
It is interesting to watch....but crossing the next hurtle of finding a mission for it is going to be the hard bit I am thinking.
Sounds about right for an Admiral then.......or a Chief Bosun's Mate!
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It seems that you are wrong!
Also remember that not having jets embarked does not mean there are doing useful things, such as the deployment of HMS Prince of Wales into the Norwegian Sea earlier this year an then into the Arctic, doing combined ASW with Merlin HM2s embarked, an accompany frigate, an RAF Poseidon and quite possibly an SSN (and/or other NATO submarines).
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"not having jets embarked does not mean there are doing useful things,"
true but a proper Helicopter carrying vessel would have cost a lot less. The elephant in the room currently is what chance is there that the RAF/RN will get enough new F-35's to use the carriers for their originally intended purpose. Withe talk of freezing the Defence Budget for 5 years it starts to look difficult.
true but a proper Helicopter carrying vessel would have cost a lot less. The elephant in the room currently is what chance is there that the RAF/RN will get enough new F-35's to use the carriers for their originally intended purpose. Withe talk of freezing the Defence Budget for 5 years it starts to look difficult.
She was supposed to go to the USA - hopefully they'll do as much as they can while she's in Rosyth - but that means it could be quite a while before she's available
It seems that you are wrong!
https://twitter.com/NavyLookout/stat...5Es1_&ref_url=
Also remember that not having jets embarked does not mean there are doing useful things, such as the deployment of HMS Prince of Wales into the Norwegian Sea earlier this year an then into the Arctic, doing combined ASW with Merlin HM2s embarked, an accompany frigate, an RAF Poseidon and quite possibly an SSN (and/or other NATO submarines).
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"not having jets embarked does not mean there are doing useful things,"
true but a proper Helicopter carrying vessel would have cost a lot less. The elephant in the room currently is what chance is there that the RAF/RN will get enough new F-35's to use the carriers for their originally intended purpose. Withe talk of freezing the Defence Budget for 5 years it starts to look difficult.
true but a proper Helicopter carrying vessel would have cost a lot less. The elephant in the room currently is what chance is there that the RAF/RN will get enough new F-35's to use the carriers for their originally intended purpose. Withe talk of freezing the Defence Budget for 5 years it starts to look difficult.
Operating ASW helicopters and supporting constant ASW operations by the task group is a carrier role, and was intended to be one of the roles of CVF from the start of the design process. The Royal Navy has operated ASW helicopters from carriers alongside fixed wing aircraft since the late 1950s.
"Operating ASW helicopters and supporting constant ASW operations by the task group is a carrier role,"
But we managed without carriers for years WEBF - currently we have one available carrier - does that mean there are no other ASW helicopter operations?
A full on carrier is a very expensive way of carrying out ASW - especially when it is a lovely big target in its own right
But we managed without carriers for years WEBF - currently we have one available carrier - does that mean there are no other ASW helicopter operations?
A full on carrier is a very expensive way of carrying out ASW - especially when it is a lovely big target in its own right
If the Carriers are supposed to be doing "useful things"....having half the Carrier Fleet spending extended periods of time in Rosyth for unscheduled repairs puts a very real dent in the ability for "useful things" to be performed?
What happens to that capability if both Carriers are in port for regular maintenance and unscheduled repairs?
Does the ASW function revert to the Frigates and Helicopters?
Does that mean the ASW capability is rendered insufficient as a result?
What happens to that capability if both Carriers are in port for regular maintenance and unscheduled repairs?
Does the ASW function revert to the Frigates and Helicopters?
Does that mean the ASW capability is rendered insufficient as a result?
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
The UK has more next generation F-35 fast jets than pilots, the Defence Secretary @BWallaceMP confirms
That is genuinely shocking as we don't have many of the jets anyway!!!
"It's quite a challenge... our pilot pipeline is not in a place I would like it to be"
Understatement
That is genuinely shocking as we don't have many of the jets anyway!!!
"It's quite a challenge... our pilot pipeline is not in a place I would like it to be"
Understatement
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The UK has more next generation F-35 fast jets than pilots, the Defence Secretary @BWallaceMP confirms
That is genuinely shocking as we don't have many of the jets anyway!!!
"It's quite a challenge... our pilot pipeline is not in a place I would like it to be"
Understatement
That is genuinely shocking as we don't have many of the jets anyway!!!
"It's quite a challenge... our pilot pipeline is not in a place I would like it to be"
Understatement
https://news.sky.com/story/uk-has-mo...dmits-12735825
It just gets worse doesn't it - how long have they had to plan this?
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Explain to me why the shortage of pilots on the F-35 force is a MFTS problem?
if the RAF wanted to give priority to their F-35 slots they could short man the Typhoon force for a while.
An interesting question would be how many of their established slots the RN is filling.
if the RAF wanted to give priority to their F-35 slots they could short man the Typhoon force for a while.
An interesting question would be how many of their established slots the RN is filling.
Sadly the competence of our armed forces in developing and sustaining the ability to defend us is far inferior to their excellence at ceremonial.
Perhaps GSM London District might be brought into the problems, and kick arse ......... the 10 yard, running, size tens type.
Perhaps GSM London District might be brought into the problems, and kick arse ......... the 10 yard, running, size tens type.