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Old 18th Mar 2018, 15:08
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Originally Posted by Mogwi
Can't quite see why the RN would want to show that film. Not a patch on Top Gun!
Well it's nowhere near as Homo-Erotic that's for sure...
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 17:27
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Dear WE branch fanatic, anyone with any knowledge of political matters would know that this is a massive Albatross around the neck of politicians. Trying to defend the cost of this shameful fiasco to voters who want to know why the NHS is broken is not going to soar above their heads like an F35.

Do you seriously think this Carrier/F35 crap is something the conservatives are going to flag up as a success story going into the next election? Corbyn under a coalition is the next likely occupant of Number 10 and I dont see him viewing your beloved carriers very kindly.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 02:48
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... Corbyn under a coalition is the next likely occupant of Number 10 and I dont see him viewing your beloved carriers very kindly.
Anybody with any knowledge of political matters would know the biggest Albatros around these parts is Corbyn himself.

Trying to defend his shameful performances as a would-be-leader for this country is delusional crap...to coin your terminology.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 06:21
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that is indeed true but doesn't alter the fact he has a reasonable chance of being the next PM - possibly as leader of a "Progresive Coalition" - LAb/SNP/Lib
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 11:49
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So does Corbyn have bracing wires and a six-cylinder Mercedes engine?
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 11:55
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So does Corbyn have bracing wires and a six-cylinder Mercedes engine?
Not sure, although he certainly has plenty of momentum. Those in the PPRuNE anti carrier cadre may yet have a path to salvation! As may those who'd prefer a defence posture that extends only as far as the white cliffs. Happy days.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 17:41
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"a defence posture that extends only as far as the white cliffs"

TBH I'd be happy if I thought we could actually defend that far................
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Old 20th Mar 2018, 17:58
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Originally Posted by glad rag
https://youtu.be/awc7Rp-f6HA
However it was disappointing, in this time of austerity, that they were throwing the excess from the mini gun over the side.
That's for safety. A gatling gun can have a misfire/hangfire without a stoppage. A misfired/hangfired cartridge is a dangerous thing and best dumped overboard. That means immediately dumping overboard all the spent brass from the minigun.

As for the monetary value of the spent brass, it's usually not cost effective to reload military brass, which means its monetary value is the scrap value of the brass. And that means it's probably more expensive to recover it, store it, and recycle it than to just dump it overboard.
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Old 20th Mar 2018, 22:27
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That's for safety. A gatling gun can have a misfire/hangfire without a stoppage. A misfired/hangfired cartridge is a dangerous thing and best dumped overboard. That means immediately dumping overboard all the spent brass from the minigun.

As for the monetary value of the spent brass, it's usually not cost effective to reload military brass, which means its monetary value is the scrap value of the brass. And that means it's probably more expensive to recover it, store it, and recycle it than to just dump it overboard.
http://m.govliquidation.com/c/fired-brass.html

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cartridge-case/

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2009/03/surplus-us-military-brass-remains-available-mutilation-orders-reversed/

What's that you were saying?
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 07:42
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Combined helicopter flight trials speed up HMS Queen Elizabeth entry into service say Qinetiq

HMS Queen Elizabeth returned to UK waters last month following completion of Merlin and Chinook flying trials and this revised strategy has eliminated the need for separate trials, ensuring the time available on deck was used to maximum effect and avoiding a second voyage out to sea later in the year.

The initiative will ultimately expedite the release of the carrier into service, say Qinetiq.

The trials, conducted by QinetiQ and the Air Warfare Centre under the Air Test & Evaluation Centre (ATEC) partnership, brought the two aircraft together on deck for the first time as part of a cost-saving initiative negotiated between QinetiQ and the UK Ministry of Defence (MOD). The Merlin trial was originally contracted in April 2016, with Chinook added to the existing agreement at the end of 2017 under a new contract amendment.


F-35B represents ‘significant leap in war-fighting capability’ says US Navy

The US say that the aircraft is equally capable of conducting precision strikes inland, supporting Marines inserted ashore or providing air defence for the Expeditionary Strike Group.

It’s no secret that the F-35 has had severe cost and schedule issues.

The F-35 programme has gone through serious teething problems, problems also experienced by the majority of complex aircraft flying today such as the F-15, Typhoon or any other modern combat jet.

The biggest issue for the project continues to be the fact it is the most expensive military weapons system in history owing to the sheer scope of the programme but that being said, aircraft costs are now coming down and will soon be similar to the cost of many aircraft it’s replacing.

Today the programme is maturing rapidly, right now much of the activity around the jet is dealing with software bugs and testing to validate the software, with most of the physical testing being to do with weapons integration and the gradual scaling up of capabilities that comes with each new software block.

The jet is a quantum leap in capability, able to give the pilot as much information as only theatre commanders have previously had. While the primary value of the jet is in its sensor and networking capabilities, it is also valuable in that it’s able to perform many tasks designed to increase the lethality of not only itself but other assets, such tasks include the ability to co-ordinate small fleets of unmanned combat aircraft, guide weapons launched from other platforms (even warships), launch a wide-range of its own weapons and use it’s own radar to conduct electronic attacks.
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 16:39
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"aircraft costs are now coming down and will soon be similar to the cost of many aircraft it’s replacing."

are they willing to pay for any difference?

If not it's just PR smoke & mirrors................Avoiding a second sea trial is obviously good news but will they be delivering the ship early or will it just sit around Portsmouth?I worry about the word "ultimately" - sounds a long way away ......
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 17:58
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry
"If not it's just PR smoke & mirrors................Avoiding a second sea trial is obviously good news but will they be delivering the ship early or will it just sit around Portsmouth?I worry about the word "ultimately" - sounds a long way away ......
The quote read: (emphasis added)

MS Queen Elizabeth returned to UK waters last month following completion of Merlin and Chinook flying trials and this revised strategy has eliminated the need for separate trials, ensuring the time available on deck was used to maximum effect and avoiding a second voyage out to sea later in the year.

"Later in the year" does not sound "a long way away" to me.
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 06:02
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No mention of crowsnest?
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 06:37
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Well it sounds as if she's not going to sea again for at least 9 months Ken..........

I'd have though this would allow them to accelerate the program but it sounds as if they are sticking to the original schedule
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 08:37
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I think you'll find she's at sea in about three months time. Just after her upkeep period.
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 08:46
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dervish,

Yes there was. Crowsnest is merely a radar fit on a Merlin HMA2, hence Merlin is now cleared. The Navy only have 30 HMA2's in the fleet, some will be fitted with Crowsnest, the majority won't.
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 09:25
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Thank you
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 12:07
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QE will be sailing for the east coast of USA in June for fixed wing trials and the odd photo opp.
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 12:09
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thanks - how long will she be there?
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 12:34
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry
thanks - how long will she be there?
A couple of months. It makes sense to to get the fixed wing trials out the way during the summer. I would expect a visit to Mayport a other warm weather ports before returning in September.
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