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Without fuss or fanfare, HMS Prince of Wales is afloat:
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/hms-...ampaign=social
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/hms-...ampaign=social
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
To summarise. The RN standing commitments to reassure and defend British interests around the world are currently maintained by an Offshore Protection Vessel, a Royal Fleet Auxilliary..... and an unarmed shore establishment.
ORAC,
Pretty sure that you can add at least one large, silent and pretty deadly submarine to that list...
Pretty sure that you can add at least one large, silent and pretty deadly submarine to that list...
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/hms-...peller-issues/
Local rumours up here have her coming into Rosyth to dry-dock in the New year to have these issues sorted, now that PoW is out. Be interesting to see if that happens, as other local scuttlebutt had the dry dock unable to take a completed QE class due to displacement issues. (Hence why such a long fitting out period afloat)
Counting and comprehension not a strong suit then?
The RN standing commitments to reassure and defend British interests around the world are currently maintained by an Offshore Protection Vessel, a Royal Fleet Auxilliary..... and an unarmed shore establishment.
Britain has no warships deployed overseas in 'unprecedented' move blamed on defence cuts:
Britain has no warships deployed overseas in 'unprecedented' move blamed on defence cuts
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Personally I think the Japanese do it right - a steady flow of (relatively) low level builds with an incremental improvement in capability as they go along rather than "pulses" of new designs
That way you keep the build capacity, the learning curve is low and you don't have a situation where a whole class of your ships need replacing over a few years..............
That way you keep the build capacity, the learning curve is low and you don't have a situation where a whole class of your ships need replacing over a few years..............
I do take issue with your requirements claim regarding OPVs though. Taking the FI as an example the requirements call for a vessel considerably more capable than an OPV and that that vessel should be augmented by another within ‘x’ days to provide a balanced capability when required.
Using OPVs and RFAs in such roles is based on what we have left rather than the military requirement. The RN is being slowly strangled and leaving minor vessels in potential hotspots, with no possibility of roulement by a true combat vessel, is the worst possible outcome. It burns money to give the illusion of military capability whilst providing none.
Others have provided commentary on the wisdom of purchasing OPVs purely to give UK companies something to do, so whilst I will acknowledge it I will not repeat it here.
Deployed overseas over the Holiday period are the following:
HMS Bangor, HMS Blythe, HMS Ledbury and HMS Middleton, supported by RFA Cardigan Bay and Fort Rosalie all conducting maritime security activity in the Gulf, with 849 NAS AWaCS Sea Kings embarked on Fort Rosalie.
RFA Mounts Bay is on patrol in the Caribbean.
HMS Clyde on duty in the South Atlantic with HMS Protector on survey duties.
HMS Enterprise is flagship of Standing Mine countermeasures Group 2 in the Mediterranean.
HMS Echo is conducting counter migrant operations in the Aegean.
One unidentified SSBN is on deterrent patrol "somewhere"
Six RN vessels in the UK are on Fleet Ready Escort standby.
A Type 45 AAW Destroyer is readying to deploy in early January to the Gulf.
A Type 45 AAW Destroyer will take over in early January as flagship of a NATO task group.
All of the above from the ROYAL NAVY, who I would trust more to know where their vessels are than that inaccurate poorly informed rag the Torygraph.
HMS Bangor, HMS Blythe, HMS Ledbury and HMS Middleton, supported by RFA Cardigan Bay and Fort Rosalie all conducting maritime security activity in the Gulf, with 849 NAS AWaCS Sea Kings embarked on Fort Rosalie.
RFA Mounts Bay is on patrol in the Caribbean.
HMS Clyde on duty in the South Atlantic with HMS Protector on survey duties.
HMS Enterprise is flagship of Standing Mine countermeasures Group 2 in the Mediterranean.
HMS Echo is conducting counter migrant operations in the Aegean.
One unidentified SSBN is on deterrent patrol "somewhere"
Six RN vessels in the UK are on Fleet Ready Escort standby.
A Type 45 AAW Destroyer is readying to deploy in early January to the Gulf.
A Type 45 AAW Destroyer will take over in early January as flagship of a NATO task group.
All of the above from the ROYAL NAVY, who I would trust more to know where their vessels are than that inaccurate poorly informed rag the Torygraph.
Why is anything 'serious' other than an SSBN required at sea OVER XMAS AND THE NEW YEAR????
Apart from tensions across NATO boarders including the Baltic and the gap, the shooting wars on the eastern Med, tensions and dust-up in the Middle East and standing commitments et al.
If not now then when?
If not now then when?
Just this once...
Not one of which call in any way or shape whatsoever for the presence of a Destroyer or a Frigate!
Not one of which call in any way or shape whatsoever for the presence of a Destroyer or a Frigate!