Shooting Down Civilian Airliners
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What if the Hi-jackers are ex Mil Aircrew?
They could jettison the obese children of the passengers as decoy for any SA missles deployed and or jettison of the Hot Towels and inedible Hot meals to take care of the IR threat.
...............and you bolder lot can forget going for the gun solution as we all know a well flown B737 can out ACM a F3 Tonka, besides the crew would probably get lost in the urban jungle anyway:
They could jettison the obese children of the passengers as decoy for any SA missles deployed and or jettison of the Hot Towels and inedible Hot meals to take care of the IR threat.
...............and you bolder lot can forget going for the gun solution as we all know a well flown B737 can out ACM a F3 Tonka, besides the crew would probably get lost in the urban jungle anyway:
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wyler - thankyou. it seems perfectly reasonable and obvious, but then so do many other things. i wonder would this protection stand in the case of possible civil suits?
widger - i assure you i'm not trolling
assuming the intercepting aircraft was not a typhoon, would a couple of shots be fired across the bow or perhaps into the fuselage as a sort of wake up the pax effort, just in case?
widger - i assure you i'm not trolling
assuming the intercepting aircraft was not a typhoon, would a couple of shots be fired across the bow or perhaps into the fuselage as a sort of wake up the pax effort, just in case?
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Originally Posted by Wyler
I suspect the fallout would go on for years and years. That's why you would need a pair of really big hairy ones to make the call.
(The FBI will really be interested now).
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Wyler,
Your info is not quite correct regarding a number of issues, but the facts are not for open forum anyway.
Mods;
This topic is perhaps a bit too close to the mark to remain on the forum.
Just my twopenneth.
Your info is not quite correct regarding a number of issues, but the facts are not for open forum anyway.
Mods;
This topic is perhaps a bit too close to the mark to remain on the forum.
Just my twopenneth.
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I doubt they would just send up one intercept a/c. pilot refusal (of order) scenarios would be taken/have been into account in this situation. e.g. Maybe one or more of the pilots familly may reside, work in the area of possible crash site, coupled to the fact that no RAF a/c (in modern times) have shot down a UK reg civillian a/c killing fellow countrymen. Now, if the a/c was Russian/Chinese/Israeli that might prove more problems.
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There would be no chance of the pilot being in court, he would be covered by Crown Indemnity.
RS
I doubt they would just send up one intercept a/c. pilot refusal (of order) scenarios would be taken/have been into account in this situation. e.g. Maybe one or more of the pilots familly may reside, work in the area of possible crash site, coupled to the fact that no RAF a/c (in modern times) have shot down a UK reg civillian a/c killing fellow countrymen. Now, if the a/c was Russian/Chinese/Israeli that might prove more problems.
CIVOBS
There would be no chance of the pilot being in court, he would be covered by Crown Indemnity.
RS
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3.14
Entirely agree. This thread has serious phishing, a lot of bolleaux being written and, were correct facts stated, would be way into the realms of the OSA. Mods, please do the decent thing and end it now.
Thanks.
Entirely agree. This thread has serious phishing, a lot of bolleaux being written and, were correct facts stated, would be way into the realms of the OSA. Mods, please do the decent thing and end it now.
Thanks.
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If I were the (un)fortunate Tornado pilot I think I would hold out for a peerage (or at least a knighthood) before pressing the tit. Attendance Allowance at the Lords would help pad out the pension!
What if yer flight lead refused to pusht the tit....would you shoot him down first then the bus or the other way around?
I agree wholeheartedly with 3.14 - those of us who do need to be concerned with this particular scenario are highly-trained and pretty damn good at it... The rest of you, tough t*t, thats what the 'need to know' principle is all about, so please stop speculating.
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my apologies. in light of issues arising regarding servicemen potentially being charged elsewhere, i was curious about the consequences of these actions - cheers.
otherwise, no answer expected, i was merely proving to widger i'm not trolling....
otherwise, no answer expected, i was merely proving to widger i'm not trolling....
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Don't close the thread. I don't think there has been any breach of OSA or SOP's on this thread, all that I can see is "ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer".
Totally agree that if anything too close to the knuckle is posted then any thread should go, indeed I have been surprised how long some have been allowed to run, (suppose you can argue that deleting it would confirm the info, but what's to stop someone speculating until they get it deleted).
It's been said plenty of times before, this is a public forum and you must assume that everyone is reading it. Everyone current or Ex Mil. is professional enough not screw up on here, I hope.
Those that know the answers know not to say anything at all sensible in reply, situation normal!
Totally agree that if anything too close to the knuckle is posted then any thread should go, indeed I have been surprised how long some have been allowed to run, (suppose you can argue that deleting it would confirm the info, but what's to stop someone speculating until they get it deleted).
It's been said plenty of times before, this is a public forum and you must assume that everyone is reading it. Everyone current or Ex Mil. is professional enough not screw up on here, I hope.
Those that know the answers know not to say anything at all sensible in reply, situation normal!
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The CAA publish a leaflet on 'Interception Procedures'.
Anyone who needs to know the procedures should maybe read that ?
There is the occasional chance (a few times a month) that a Mil pilot who breaches CAS might take out a civilian aircraft. It's a more likely scenario than a shoot down !!!
Anyone who needs to know the procedures should maybe read that ?
There is the occasional chance (a few times a month) that a Mil pilot who breaches CAS might take out a civilian aircraft. It's a more likely scenario than a shoot down !!!