Brit55

Well said Kitbag,

Tourist brings nothing but arrogance to this forum, I strongly suspect that the only thing he flies is his misplaced ego.

Bitter and twisted is how you come across Tourist, bitter and twisted... Obviously a Fighter Controller stuck underground, in a field or perhaps in the new CRC with freshly bricked up windows!!

Ghostie31

Im on a UAS does that mean I'd have access to Tourist's imaginary forum?

P.S. (I'm enjoying the inter-service banter )

Time Flies

I can see both sides of the argument here.

It's a great forum we have here with a wide spectrum of input, however, I have always thought it would be a good idea to have a closed forum.

Mods: Would this be a difficult thing to set up? I can only think the initial problem of weeding the Wannabies out from the Military Aircrew would be the biggest hurdle.

Any hope of seeing something like this in the future?

For now it looks like we'll have to keep baiting the blunties and arguing about washing cars.

TF

Brit55

Washing cars, thats a good point actually.

My wife bought a Discovery today and whilst I'm all in favour of us washing our own cars, I know she won't...

Tourist, are you free on sunday for a valet?

A closed forum would, on occasion, be great in principle however, would they be possible to moderate? How would they go about checking out the credentials of each 'aircrew' member? Tough one.

Talking Radalt

We'll all be SH (which is the way forward anyway) leaving you lot to play with your toy aeroplanes.

Two's in

Can you also get a set of wings for your pyjamas, so absolutely everyone you meet in bed has that last vestige of doubt cleared up about your aircrew status? I'm also thinking of having 'Flt Lt" tatooed on my willy, so I can pull rank on myself (have to abbreviate it for obvious reasons). Finding out that non-aircrew use this forum must rank up there for self-loathing right along with the moment you discovered your mother was a blasted civilian.

Onan the Clumsy

Just being the Devil's Advocate you understand, but you can't fly it without someone fixing it...BUT even if they fixed it and nobody flew it, it'd soon break itself and need fixing again.

Data-Lynx

Ghostie31 raises a good point about emerging aircrew. I've read much sage advice and a bit of banter from experienced aviation-minded PPRuNers on how to join up and get through the maze of interview boards. Would those who are asking the questions be allowed to negotiate Tourist's trap? Elsewhere, it is much harder to find brilliance amongst the frustration on the Army or Mover rumour sites. This site has dived into some heavyweight light-blue bitterness (grubby MT??) but always managed to soar. The balance and membership is about right, including Tourist. Where would we be without his/her views?

juliet

jeez, people can be a bit sensitive on here! surely it wouldnt be too hard to keep the military forum for general sort of all access stuff but also have a closed forum. im sure all the BA guys enjoy having the open forums but equally quite like being able to discuss things without every man and his dog reading. sometimes it would be nice to not have to worry so much about journos, not talking about classified stuff but just talking without worry of your comments so easily ending up being taken the wrong way by people out of the loop. anyway, we all have id numbers etc so shouldnt be too hard to restrict to active military, just like the BA/Virgin forums manage to do.

teeteringhead

Don't see the problem .... I've always seen this forum as a Happy Hour bar on a flying station (I know I've said this before) with a number of conversations going on. Lots are aircrew, and quite a few aren't. Similarly, the subjects may or may not be closely related to military aviation.

So what - your presence here and your contributions are both voluntary ... I'm sure I could go into a Happy Hour conversation and say "This is a boring/irrelevant/insular conversation ... please leave". And what a pr@t I'd be. I just don't join that particular conversation.

Nor do I say "You're not in uniform - b*gger off" ... 'cos believe it or not, filthy civvies may have something useful to contribute. And/or may be retired or wannabees, both of whom IMHO have a perfect right to hear and be heard - in the bar or on pprune.

As to a closed forum - the military ain't BA - just consider how you would "vet" people and what the security implications might be....

Unnecessary in principle - unworkable in practice.

boyassassin

Great an Air Force full of techies, suppliers and int! Maybe also you could be the person to write the new MT orders

If that's the way you see things going, I'll get my coat

insty66

"If that's the way you see things going, I'll get my coat"

Do you mean to say there's no-one to do it for you?

Why do some of the aircrew in here feel the need to to have somewhere special just for them? Not enough love at work?
Or do you prefer a conversation where everyone agrees with each other?
I like the happy hour analogy. It makes sense and it is good for all of us, no matter where we work to get another perspective on all the topics discussed. If that's not too rational.

ukatco_535

Tourist

I am an ex Military Aviator and am now a civvy ATCO - I assume that I would have no place in your forum either?

You strike me as a pompous, arrogant tw@t; I assume you are in the senior service as your profile says you are a 'loafer WAFU'.

You seem to be the type of person who thinks that the world revolves around you - someone I would associate more with being in an air force due to flying being the raison detre of their being; certainly not someone who should realise that they are but one small cog in the machine.

Get a life; the forum works well, another private forum would maybe be a good idea for sensitive issues; but there is nothing wrong with the structure of this one. If you don't like it, go forth and multiply - you are not forced to use it. It's a rumour network - not the Queens Regs online.

FCWhippingBoy

Isn't that what the Officers'/SNCOs' Messes are all about - a closed forum where you can chat amongst your peers without the oiks getting to hear about it?

This is the Internet, do we really need to extend Aircrew/Non-Aircrew or even Commissioned/Non-Commissioned mentalities out into the public domain?

oldbeefer

Teetering head.. My feelings exactly.

Tourist

"Tourist brings nothing but arrogance to this forum, I strongly suspect that the only thing he flies is his misplaced ego.

Bitter and twisted is how you come across Tourist, bitter and twisted... Obviously a Fighter Controller stuck underground, in a field or perhaps in the new CRC with freshly bricked up windows!! "

Arrogant.....maybe.
Ego............I never said I was any good.
Bitter..........not even a tiny bit. My good fortune in flying appointments is notorious throughout the FAA. It has been suggested that on current trend, my next job will probably be Hugh Heffners plunge pool assistant.(that narrows my identity down a bit!) Truly cannot believe I get paid for this lark.
Twisted.......You will have to ask my wife.

I feel I should point out at this juncture that I never said the Military does not need a varied selection of branches to operate, just that in my opinion they don't fit the criteria for this forum.
I also never suggested that engineers don't fit, as they obviously do.

ukatco_535, you say I am

"someone I would associate more with being in an air force due to flying being the raison detre of their being"

erm yes.....I concur. Since when has being here for the love of flying been a bad thing? Would you rather I was here for the money?


Incidentally, I have nothing against civvy ATC. Extremely professional, helpful and competent. Navy ATC on the other hand......

joe2812

As someone who is another wannabe, I hope the Mil forum isn't locked out to us, cadets, civvies etc.

I come from a strong RAF-orientated family and am looking to go onto join after Uni, and this forum has provided me, and i'm sure many others, with a lot of decent info and banter.

This forum never fails to amuse or inform, or even just supply a decent read when the TV is naff. I don't participate often as I feel i'm out of place, but it'll be a shame to have such a good source of information and enjoyment restricted.

Talkdownman

OK. Trick question, especially for EGUW Ops:
Which agency is the 'controlling authority' for the 'Thames Valley Avoidance Area' and permitted to authorise 'clearance' into said low-flying area?

Biggus

Joe2812

890 posts in a little under two years hardly seems like '....I don't participate often...'!!!

Anyway, observation over, let the slanging match continue ........

rotorblades

i never said id issue clearances in TVAA, just helilanes..get it right, the mil pilots call me requesting entry into the TVAA I barely know what the TVAA covers and dont really want to. You expect me to give you a service flying in Class G airspace flying from Wattisham to odiham or wherever, then you can expect to get my six-pennies worth if I can answer a question or have an opinion.