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RN Sub Commander in Dressing Gown Tirades

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Old 13th Jan 2006, 11:41
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Re: RN Sub Commander in Dressing Gown Tirades

Still, at least he didnŽt hit a rock, or a fishing boat or an underwater mountain. I suspect that, to offset the rest, he must be very good at the job.

Lots of bosses I disliked over the years that I would have been glad to have in charge if weŽd had to go to war.
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Old 13th Jan 2006, 11:45
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Maple - yes, at two things. Chopped pilot happily turned RN, so that's one. The other....to laugh at your feeble banter...


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Just fishing.......
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Old 14th Jan 2006, 21:07
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Re: RN Sub Commander in Dressing Gown Tirades

Saw the best headline ever used to report this story.
'Captain Thugwash'.
You can be sure it was not the Guardian.
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Old 14th Jan 2006, 23:42
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maybe they should have used:

'Captain ThugUnWashed'

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Old 15th Jan 2006, 10:51
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Unusual to have a full Captain commanding an SSN these days. I thought they were usually Commanders. That means he's been through a selection process twice and in theory at least got there on merit. It just seems very strange. Maybe he's a bit sick up top?
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That's not a beard! It is the South end of a Northbound camel!
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Old 15th Jan 2006, 12:21
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I have suffered at the hands of a bully to the point of depression. My whole life changed when I got the posting I asked for - my experience was well appreciated and I had an idyllic time.

If half of what is alleged is true, then this man should be moved sideways into posts where he answers to those of much higher rank, but has no contact with those of equal or lower.

Never again must he be placed in a position of authority over lesser mortals.

He should rot in hell to contemplate the misery he has inflicted on others.
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Old 15th Jan 2006, 12:25
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Re: RN Sub Commander in Dressing Gown Tirades

Unusual to have a full Captain commanding an SSN these days. I thought they were usually Commanders. That means he's been through a selection process twice and in theory at least got there on merit. It just seems very strange. Maybe he's a bit sick up top?
This case relates to incidents in 1999 - perhaps he's been promoted in the meantime?
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Old 15th Jan 2006, 15:56
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Re: RN Sub Commander in Dressing Gown Tirades

Indeed SSN Cdr to Captain in 7 years is a bit of a rapid stop.

Any clues why it took that long?

Ditto the 2.5 featuring in the case. Was he a 2.5 then? Is he still on the list or PPO?
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Old 17th Jan 2006, 06:18
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BBC: Sub captain cleared of bullying

A submarine captain has been cleared of three charges of ill-treatment by the use of repeated, unjustified verbal abuse, at a court martial hearing. Judge advocate, Jack Bayliss, directed a navy panel sitting in Portsmouth to acquit Capt Robert Tarrant, 44, after ruling there was no evidence to answer. But he still faces two charges from his time on HMS Talent in 1998 and 1999.
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Old 17th Jan 2006, 07:52
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Wait a minute, that's Phil from Eastenders, isn't it?
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Old 19th Jan 2006, 13:42
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Captain cleared

Here

Something smells a bit odd here. For him to CM on 9 charges, this would have been thoroughly investigated first and formal charges made. Strange all nine (?) get dropped.
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Old 19th Jan 2006, 13:55
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my thoughts also NE, but who knows? Guess it might be a case of a one word against another, though the implication was that it had happened in front of part of a crew... hmm
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Old 19th Jan 2006, 14:11
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...and in more than one venue over an extended period. But as you say who knows?
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Old 19th Jan 2006, 14:36
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Perhaps this is yet another case of the system always wins. Takes a very powerful reason for a charge made by an underling to be held up against a senior.
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Old 19th Jan 2006, 15:04
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The system does not always win. I do have personal experience of this. I am still serving, the Sad Case that brought me to trial has left the Service early. I feel that this whole sorry buisiness has been brought about because of differing ideas as to who or what makes a good submariner. In particular, the long established practice of a boat's CO being given some say in the make up of his officer compliment. I do not know any of the people concerned. Let me just say that I would be more embarrased to see a two and a half cry than a 3 ringer give some one a good reaming. Bad though they both are.
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Old 20th Jan 2006, 00:32
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The RAN had a bloke called LCDR "Psycho" Bates. Made everyone around him lives a misery. The kindest word I could use to descibe him was "nasty". He was eventually shown the door. Ironically his brother was one of the nicest guys I have ever had the privilege to meet who eventually got a command of a warship.
The moral of the story is, there are a miniority of people like this running around in all the services of the world making everyone they come into contact with lives a hell of a time then they leave your life as your next posting comes up. When you look back on them years down the track you think, why didn't I just .........., but at the time it wasn't that easy. I always use to think about "psycho", how would he handle civvy street???
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Old 20th Jan 2006, 06:23
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Wessex19, your second last sentence hits the nail on the head. I wish I had had the guts to shop the nasty - although I suspect that he would have sweet-talked his way out of it. He had been in trouble several times before but got away with it. Ended up with promotion and a couple of 'BE' awards. But then, who said life was fair?

It probably didn't occur to him that anything was wrong when 2 of his most senior people asked to be posted away at the same time, or that his 2 ic refused to do his dirty work for him...
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Old 20th Jan 2006, 06:54
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I think we often have the school boy or juvenille idea that bullying involved physical violence and are not tuned to the psycho variety. I eventually got the nerve to report my b*s*ard. I had had the training, I had nothng to lose, and I had my union advice.

I had the opportunity to tell his boss with predictable results. Naturally a formal complaint or even an official informal one would have been a PITA all round. The bosses reaction was surprise and 'I have the fullest confidence in xxxx'..

I got the result I wanted however and I was then treated with kid gloves and humanistic respect. I (and a number of my colleagues) never respected x though.

Who says unions, or disinterested impartial advice is not needed. Remember who pays the staff at handbrake house.
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