Linton Re-Stream wider effects
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Linton Re-Stream wider effects
Firstly, let me say I feel bad for all you guys who have been affected. I was however wondering if anyone knew the wider effects of the decisions. In particular, I was meant to be starting 45 Sqn late next year. I was wondering if anybody had heard anything about courses being delayed. Any info/rumors would be most appreciated.
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One idea put forward was chopping people at the end of EFT, even with a pass. Not an unreasonable idea by any stretch. (although now mentioned on pprune will have to be delayed by at least 7 or 8 years).
A story from a friend about the standard of pilots out of EFT with him: one of the guys who scraped through made the following comment at the end of the course. "Have you noticed that the numbers on a runway threshold always seem to match your heading? What an amazing conincidence that the air force's numbered runways match up like that!" (Gen) Why not chop people who just scrape through EFT when you've got guys who breeze it but don't make the fast jet cut in the end?
The idea to send everyone through linton and stream at BHT was suggested and recieved a non commital answer ('good idea but more expensive' type arguement).
I'm sure we're all full of good ideas about how the show should be run but i guess it just ain't that easy in the end. But is it more expensive/wasteful to have 100 pilots to many or 100 too few? Which problem can be sorted out faster?
A story from a friend about the standard of pilots out of EFT with him: one of the guys who scraped through made the following comment at the end of the course. "Have you noticed that the numbers on a runway threshold always seem to match your heading? What an amazing conincidence that the air force's numbered runways match up like that!" (Gen) Why not chop people who just scrape through EFT when you've got guys who breeze it but don't make the fast jet cut in the end?
The idea to send everyone through linton and stream at BHT was suggested and recieved a non commital answer ('good idea but more expensive' type arguement).
I'm sure we're all full of good ideas about how the show should be run but i guess it just ain't that easy in the end. But is it more expensive/wasteful to have 100 pilots to many or 100 too few? Which problem can be sorted out faster?
I'm not going to go into specifics, but there were only a few restreamed multi's. Since they all completed the Linton course, they are going to be undertaking the short course. Not in a position to give you a definitive answer, but I wouldn't have thought it would delay your course.
As for the other points, many people would favour all eft students going to linton and completing at least up to bht before being streamed. At least it would sort out the wheat form the chaff a bit more - and give all studes a fairer chance. Unlikely to take effect in the near future - I guess we will wait for MFTS for any significant changes.
As for the other points, many people would favour all eft students going to linton and completing at least up to bht before being streamed. At least it would sort out the wheat form the chaff a bit more - and give all studes a fairer chance. Unlikely to take effect in the near future - I guess we will wait for MFTS for any significant changes.
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I would suggest that the greatest factor in the timing of 45 Sqn Cses will be the serviceability state of the King Air - currently very poor (although for contractual reasons - when you have the spares, it's a top aircraft)
Any delays in METS cses will have a long knock-on effect - no change from the Jetstream, really.
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Any delays in METS cses will have a long knock-on effect - no change from the Jetstream, really.
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Here's an idea - we could send EVERYBODY through both EFT AND Linton, giving them a fair chance to develop their skills and come away with a much greater level of experience that will serve them well in the highly operational environments that everybody (except the FJ fleet) finds themselves in right from the off nowadays. It would also give the Air Force the chance to have a longer look at these youngsters and better assess their future employment potential, not just as pilots but also as Officers. Who knows, it might even alleviate the problem of more and more D-cat co-pilots failing their first upgrade due to woeful lack of flying experience.
We'd need a name for this new course, though - maybe even 'Basic Flying Training'........
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We'd need a name for this new course, though - maybe even 'Basic Flying Training'........
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Here's an idea - we could send EVERYBODY through both EFT AND Linton, giving them a fair chance to develop their skills and come away with a much greater level of experience
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Who knows, it might even alleviate the problem of more and more D-cat co-pilots failing their first upgrade due to woeful lack of flying experience.
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diversity in the routes they experience as new co-pilots?
is it possible that they struggle when they start flying some of our older aircraft?
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I loved the reaction to the idea we should send the excess pilots to instruct on the Tutor!
"What exactly was the question? What? Err... NO"
Although putting everone though at least half the Tucano cse seems like a capital idea, I can see the chaps at the top thinking: Too expensive, and MFTS will put the whole thing on it's head soon, so why bother?
I loved the reaction to the idea we should send the excess pilots to instruct on the Tutor!
"What exactly was the question? What? Err... NO"
Although putting everone though at least half the Tucano cse seems like a capital idea, I can see the chaps at the top thinking: Too expensive, and MFTS will put the whole thing on it's head soon, so why bother?
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Things are'nt that bad - some of the co's have nearly a hundred K hours under their belt, still they have been at lyneham a year, and 40 of those hours were on the ocu!
Somethings gotta give.
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I feel sorry for the guys that desperately didn't want rotary but got it anyway... so much for the preference sheets!!!
Back to day one of a 12+ month wings course - ouch! Now how is that a sensible use of manpower
Chin up lads, and all the best.
Back to day one of a 12+ month wings course - ouch! Now how is that a sensible use of manpower
Chin up lads, and all the best.
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I feel sorry for the guys that desperately didn't want rotary but got it anyway... so much for the preference sheets!!!
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Why were they desperate not to go rotary? - Scared of doing a bit of hard work?
I assume that they were not too impressed with having to go back to day one, compared to their (not so good at EFT) collegues who didn't get Linton, and who are now on the front line. By the time the re-streamers get to the front line, they'll be 2 years behind in terms of helicopter experience and promotion just becuase they were slightly better on the Tutor.
At least they still have seats though!
Why were they desperate not to go rotary? - Scared of doing a bit of hard work?
I assume that they were not too impressed with having to go back to day one, compared to their (not so good at EFT) collegues who didn't get Linton, and who are now on the front line. By the time the re-streamers get to the front line, they'll be 2 years behind in terms of helicopter experience and promotion just becuase they were slightly better on the Tutor.
At least they still have seats though!