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Unable to join UAS
I've done my first week at University of Hertfordshire and as planned went along to see the ULAS guys at Fresher's Fair.
Turns out they meet every Thursday night in London at 1900. Luck would have it that all first year Aero Eng students have lectures untill 1900 on a Thursday evening, meaning i'm unable to join the Squadron this year.
Where does this put me? Is there no way I can participate this year if I cannot make the weekly lectures? And am I now prevented from joining next year too?
The guy at Fresher's didn't have much time as he was then packing up the stand to go, and it wasn't until I got my timetable through today I realised that they clash. If anyone on the Squadron who roams the forums, or is in a position to help and give advice could get back to me i'd be extremely grateful.
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Joe.
Turns out they meet every Thursday night in London at 1900. Luck would have it that all first year Aero Eng students have lectures untill 1900 on a Thursday evening, meaning i'm unable to join the Squadron this year.
Where does this put me? Is there no way I can participate this year if I cannot make the weekly lectures? And am I now prevented from joining next year too?
The guy at Fresher's didn't have much time as he was then packing up the stand to go, and it wasn't until I got my timetable through today I realised that they clash. If anyone on the Squadron who roams the forums, or is in a position to help and give advice could get back to me i'd be extremely grateful.
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That is gutting!!
I too am about to start uni in Southampton and i will be applying to the UAS, i was talking to a C 17 pilot and he said that it was possible to join in your second year when he was at uni but that was a long time ago, your best bet is too ring the air squadron and chat to someone.
Good luck!
Maybe we'll be doing formation one day!!
I too am about to start uni in Southampton and i will be applying to the UAS, i was talking to a C 17 pilot and he said that it was possible to join in your second year when he was at uni but that was a long time ago, your best bet is too ring the air squadron and chat to someone.
Good luck!
Maybe we'll be doing formation one day!!
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Hi joe2812,
I don't know about he uas that you are thinking about, but I know that at mine your degree comes first, and as aresult you can still join but have to write a letter to your CO excusing from the lectures - should be no problem.
Secondly, don't worry about missing the town nights as they are the worst part!
I don't know about he uas that you are thinking about, but I know that at mine your degree comes first, and as aresult you can still join but have to write a letter to your CO excusing from the lectures - should be no problem.
Secondly, don't worry about missing the town nights as they are the worst part!
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Hi Joe,
Glad to hear your first week went OK!
Another option is to speak to both OC ULAS, and your head of department to try and reach some sort of comprimise. Perhaps see if both are willing for you to attend each on alternate weeks ie UAS one week, lectures the next? If you approach the problem with a potential solution then the "decision makers" will see that you are making an active effort to comprimise with benefits for both parties. It is also less effort for them to amend your solution, rather than have to broker a new one.
Contrary to what others have said or may say, Town nights on the UAS are more than a "get pissed" exercise. They are a good opportunity for the whole squadron to bond and get to know each other before things like Summer Camp etc. This is particularly important for Sqns that have a wide catchment area as Town Nights may be the only time you see many of other Squadron members!
In the current climate of the UAS's moving from EFT to Personal Development, team work and Squadron cohesion will become more important than it is just now.
As has already been said, give your long term priorities much thought and try to make a decision based on them. Making a short term fix may prove harmful in the long run.
Cheers!
Glad to hear your first week went OK!
Another option is to speak to both OC ULAS, and your head of department to try and reach some sort of comprimise. Perhaps see if both are willing for you to attend each on alternate weeks ie UAS one week, lectures the next? If you approach the problem with a potential solution then the "decision makers" will see that you are making an active effort to comprimise with benefits for both parties. It is also less effort for them to amend your solution, rather than have to broker a new one.
Contrary to what others have said or may say, Town nights on the UAS are more than a "get pissed" exercise. They are a good opportunity for the whole squadron to bond and get to know each other before things like Summer Camp etc. This is particularly important for Sqns that have a wide catchment area as Town Nights may be the only time you see many of other Squadron members!
In the current climate of the UAS's moving from EFT to Personal Development, team work and Squadron cohesion will become more important than it is just now.
As has already been said, give your long term priorities much thought and try to make a decision based on them. Making a short term fix may prove harmful in the long run.
Cheers!
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I don't know how viable it would be -- people knowing more than I could comment -- but what about the infinitely superior UAS about the same distance to the north? CUAS have their town night on a Wednesday...
Is it possible to go to a different UAS than your universities' traditional catchment if there's extenuating circumstances such as these, especially considering the co-location of flying for UL*S and CUAS?
Is it possible to go to a different UAS than your universities' traditional catchment if there's extenuating circumstances such as these, especially considering the co-location of flying for UL*S and CUAS?
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Dimensional's answer sounds viable. I'm sure I heard rumours once upon a time of a UH stude going to CUAS (traitor...
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I'd have a word with the academic staff - they should be sensitive to your needs. Apply for ULAS and its something you can ask about at the interview. ULAS were quite sensitive to the needs of us UH studes in my time there.
It's also just occured to me that by the time you get onto the Squadron (if accepted) it would be mid December anyway, and your lecture times will change at the end of January (for the 2nd semester), so it shouldn't be a problem...
Good luck, don't let a little thing like this get in front of your ambitions...
)I'd have a word with the academic staff - they should be sensitive to your needs. Apply for ULAS and its something you can ask about at the interview. ULAS were quite sensitive to the needs of us UH studes in my time there.
It's also just occured to me that by the time you get onto the Squadron (if accepted) it would be mid December anyway, and your lecture times will change at the end of January (for the 2nd semester), so it shouldn't be a problem...
Good luck, don't let a little thing like this get in front of your ambitions...
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I have now e-mailed my programme tutor to see if the Uni is willing to compromise. If they are then I will then phone the Squadron.
As an aside do any ex or current students know the best way to the ULAS HQ from UH?
Apparently it's near Harrods, which I thought was quite a trek away?
As an aside do any ex or current students know the best way to the ULAS HQ from UH?
Apparently it's near Harrods, which I thought was quite a trek away?
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Ah, excellent! You'll be just the sort of chap that will go down a bomb on a sqn. Sociable, outgoing and willing to go the extra mile to bond with the rest of the chaps and chapesses.
Mental note to self: Don't let yourself get stressed by soap dodgers in stupid varsity scarves who spent their spotty youth with a flask and a scanner!
Joe2812
If having to change tubes is a factor, I probably wouldn't waste their time with a letter. They really do have better things to do with their time.
Secondly, don't worry about missing the town nights as they are the worst part!
Mental note to self: Don't let yourself get stressed by soap dodgers in stupid varsity scarves who spent their spotty youth with a flask and a scanner!
Joe2812
Apparently it's near Harrods, which I thought was quite a trek away?
Mid way between 'rods (Knightsbridge) and South Ken on the Piccadilly LIne. Why mid-way? Because it's actually in the old Brompton Road Underground station!
Not a long trek at all in such a babe-rich environment!
And you will indeed miss out hugely if you don't attend Town training nights!
What sort of a university has lectures after 1700? Real ones never did!
Not a long trek at all in such a babe-rich environment!
And you will indeed miss out hugely if you don't attend Town training nights!
What sort of a university has lectures after 1700? Real ones never did!
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You should be able to apply next year if all else fails - I believe that one of the criteria for applying is to have 2 years of your degree course remaining.
Obviously they'll ask you why you didn't apply first time around, but it seems like you have a resonable excuse.
I'd try and find a way to join either way - my only regret at university was not joining the UAS.
Obviously they'll ask you why you didn't apply first time around, but it seems like you have a resonable excuse.
I'd try and find a way to join either way - my only regret at university was not joining the UAS.
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As an aside do any ex or current students know the best way to the ULAS HQ from UH?
). Either way can take anything between 45 minutes and and hour and a half...
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Welcome to the wonderful world of UAS banter. Initially let me say that this is all your own fault for not going to a proper uni, if you'd have tried a little harder at school you could have been based less than 5 minutes walk away from THQ.
Seriously though 1900 lectures sound like they need chining off out of principle so I suggest you come and join the premier air squadron.
The errant poster that thought town nights were "the worst bit" must have been on CUAS or some other comparable shower of sh1te UAS, where drinking is banned and any outbreak of morale is instantly punishable by self flagellation with one's floppy hair.
Finally quickest and most convenient method of travel is door to door taxi. Fortunately as they're not going to fly anyone anymore all the money they have saved is going to be ploughed back into transporting students from far flung polys to THQs around the country in the greatest possible comfort, thus adj will sign your claim if you ask nicely and perhaps put a fiver in with every claim form.
Kindest regards
Mike
Disclaimer
Much of this post may be tongue in cheek and I in no way endorse bribery as a method of getting one's claim forms signed, seriously!!
Welcome to the wonderful world of UAS banter. Initially let me say that this is all your own fault for not going to a proper uni, if you'd have tried a little harder at school you could have been based less than 5 minutes walk away from THQ.
Seriously though 1900 lectures sound like they need chining off out of principle so I suggest you come and join the premier air squadron.
The errant poster that thought town nights were "the worst bit" must have been on CUAS or some other comparable shower of sh1te UAS, where drinking is banned and any outbreak of morale is instantly punishable by self flagellation with one's floppy hair.
Finally quickest and most convenient method of travel is door to door taxi. Fortunately as they're not going to fly anyone anymore all the money they have saved is going to be ploughed back into transporting students from far flung polys to THQs around the country in the greatest possible comfort, thus adj will sign your claim if you ask nicely and perhaps put a fiver in with every claim form.
Kindest regards
Mike
Disclaimer
Much of this post may be tongue in cheek and I in no way endorse bribery as a method of getting one's claim forms signed, seriously!!
1) Invest in small portable cassette recorder.
2) Give above to friend.
3) Get above friend to record lecture.
4) Go to UAS town night.
5) Return to UH (you really should have tried harder at school)
6) Listen to cassette and borrow friend's lecture notes.
and do stop whining.
A bit of a trek? In my day peeps attended Brompton Road training nights from the wilds of Shoreditch, tore themselves away from the girlies at Royal Holloway (out near Windsor or Staines or somewhere) and even dragged themselves in from Reading.
2) Give above to friend.
3) Get above friend to record lecture.
4) Go to UAS town night.
5) Return to UH (you really should have tried harder at school)
6) Listen to cassette and borrow friend's lecture notes.
and do stop whining.
A bit of a trek? In my day peeps attended Brompton Road training nights from the wilds of Shoreditch, tore themselves away from the girlies at Royal Holloway (out near Windsor or Staines or somewhere) and even dragged themselves in from Reading.
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And in years hence you'll be able to bore people with:
"I remember when I was on the UAS disbandment flypast at High Wycombe".
Tossers at Kindergarten Kommand need shooting.
"I remember when I was on the UAS disbandment flypast at High Wycombe".
Tossers at Kindergarten Kommand need shooting.
Top banter, Michael Edic!
Harsh, but fair, it has to be said. If one must attend such places as Hatfield Polytechnic, then lectures at such a late hour should indeed be cut on principle! As for throwing one's lot in with a bunch of floppy-haired Tabs.... Dubious place in military terms - famous only for spies!
Town night was the highlight of the week for many of us. Leave hall and walk to South Woodford tube station, wait for train. Change at Holborn, get out at Knightsbridge. Wander slowly to THQ whilst ogling the totty. Perhaps wander into 'rods on the way - or bump into some actor coming out of THQ after rehearsals (in my case, Marty Feldman and Orson Welles. Not as pretty as some; rumour hath it that Pan's People used to rehearse in there at times!). Have a few beers with some top chums, then meeting in the Drill Hall for parish notices (no drill, of course!) before lectures etc. After lectures, another beer or few and then a quick bite to eat in the Chinese restaurant opposite. Then catch last tube to Holborn, wait for Epping train, remember to get off at South Woodford. Blunder slowly back to halls. Next day wake up with rotten hangover, decide that thermodynamics is far too tedious to attend. In any case the lecturer has a suspiciously foreign accent and confides "Zis voss used in flyink bombs" when talking about the pulse jet. He also alarmingly mentions that "Ze likvid is confined in ze cooler" when discussing some obscure entropy/enthalpy diagram.... So, no thermoDs, just a lazy start to the day. Pack suitcase with uniform and civvy kit, then back to South Woodford station, wait for an Ealing Broadway train. Hangover gets easier as London goes past, then transfer to Maidenhead train feeling relatively well. Ring White Waltham for a lift, get picked up in the wagon by Cpl Nobby Clarke. Change into flying kit, do 9-day check with QFI, so can go solo first thing the next day! Which means another excellent evening in the mess on Friday night.....
Trouble was, it meant wising up and repeating the second year again! But happy times, nonetheless!
As for a UAS disbandment fly past? Well, the contractor will probaby say it's 'not in the contract', there won't be any part-time AVM Rtd/Act Fg Offs available and in any case the weather will probably be too bad for them as they'll be VMC only and won't have flown in formation since they were on Meteors.
Harsh, but fair, it has to be said. If one must attend such places as Hatfield Polytechnic, then lectures at such a late hour should indeed be cut on principle! As for throwing one's lot in with a bunch of floppy-haired Tabs.... Dubious place in military terms - famous only for spies!
Town night was the highlight of the week for many of us. Leave hall and walk to South Woodford tube station, wait for train. Change at Holborn, get out at Knightsbridge. Wander slowly to THQ whilst ogling the totty. Perhaps wander into 'rods on the way - or bump into some actor coming out of THQ after rehearsals (in my case, Marty Feldman and Orson Welles. Not as pretty as some; rumour hath it that Pan's People used to rehearse in there at times!). Have a few beers with some top chums, then meeting in the Drill Hall for parish notices (no drill, of course!) before lectures etc. After lectures, another beer or few and then a quick bite to eat in the Chinese restaurant opposite. Then catch last tube to Holborn, wait for Epping train, remember to get off at South Woodford. Blunder slowly back to halls. Next day wake up with rotten hangover, decide that thermodynamics is far too tedious to attend. In any case the lecturer has a suspiciously foreign accent and confides "Zis voss used in flyink bombs" when talking about the pulse jet. He also alarmingly mentions that "Ze likvid is confined in ze cooler" when discussing some obscure entropy/enthalpy diagram.... So, no thermoDs, just a lazy start to the day. Pack suitcase with uniform and civvy kit, then back to South Woodford station, wait for an Ealing Broadway train. Hangover gets easier as London goes past, then transfer to Maidenhead train feeling relatively well. Ring White Waltham for a lift, get picked up in the wagon by Cpl Nobby Clarke. Change into flying kit, do 9-day check with QFI, so can go solo first thing the next day! Which means another excellent evening in the mess on Friday night.....
Trouble was, it meant wising up and repeating the second year again! But happy times, nonetheless!
As for a UAS disbandment fly past? Well, the contractor will probaby say it's 'not in the contract', there won't be any part-time AVM Rtd/Act Fg Offs available and in any case the weather will probably be too bad for them as they'll be VMC only and won't have flown in formation since they were on Meteors.
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Lots of wise words for young Joe. Personally, I commend doing a Humanities degree that involves as many hours a week as you probably do in a day.
You may like to see Top UAS Tips for some ideas on how to make friends and influcence people in the UAS.
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You may like to see Top UAS Tips for some ideas on how to make friends and influcence people in the UAS.
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Joey,
I had a similar timetabling problem, 'ckin lectures on Friday morning!
Michael Edic is right I'm afraid, you should have tried harder at school
but maybe if he'd also tried harder at school he could have been a pilot - shouldn't you be posting on PMRUNE/PBRUNE old chum!?!
I would imagine this 1900 finish madness will be short lived. When I was at uni, my initial timetable had over 40 hrs p/w (though not at the Hatfield Centre of Excellence) but by the end of the first week about 8 hrs of that had disappeared and were just introductions or 'meet and creeps'.
I wouldn't make too much noise about it at this stage. See if you get in for a start (if you don't give CUAS a bell) then see how it goes not attending that lecture for a few weeks. My guess is that after said few weeks, it won't be the only one you don't attend!
Yours,
GF
P.S. Shut up CUAS!!
I had a similar timetabling problem, 'ckin lectures on Friday morning!
Michael Edic is right I'm afraid, you should have tried harder at school
but maybe if he'd also tried harder at school he could have been a pilot - shouldn't you be posting on PMRUNE/PBRUNE old chum!?!I would imagine this 1900 finish madness will be short lived. When I was at uni, my initial timetable had over 40 hrs p/w (though not at the Hatfield Centre of Excellence) but by the end of the first week about 8 hrs of that had disappeared and were just introductions or 'meet and creeps'.
I wouldn't make too much noise about it at this stage. See if you get in for a start (if you don't give CUAS a bell) then see how it goes not attending that lecture for a few weeks. My guess is that after said few weeks, it won't be the only one you don't attend!
Yours,
GF
P.S. Shut up CUAS!!
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Hmm, scary coincidence, BEags??
Pic below taken by Flt Lt W.G Beadle, OUAS, 1957 West Malling.
(Original print is a bit "washed out/hazy", found in back of second-hand book).
Pic below taken by Flt Lt W.G Beadle, OUAS, 1957 West Malling.
(Original print is a bit "washed out/hazy", found in back of second-hand book).
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GF,
I must surmise that as you too attended a poly and achieved a stunning Dougie (I believe equivalent to a C C at GCSE double award science) it may indeed be you that should have worked harder at school and indeed uni (sorry poly).
Enjoy MELINLIN
Kindest regards as ever
Mike
PS Back in your box, you twit!!
I must surmise that as you too attended a poly and achieved a stunning Dougie (I believe equivalent to a C C at GCSE double award science) it may indeed be you that should have worked harder at school and indeed uni (sorry poly).
Enjoy MELINLIN
Kindest regards as ever
Mike
PS Back in your box, you twit!!
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Mike,
I think you'll find it's called an Aircrew First. Do I get paid any less for it? Economy of Effort my dear boy, a principle of war.
Good to see things don't change Beagle, I don't think I used to even make it back to my "poly" (happy mike?) on a Friday morning!
I think you'll find it's called an Aircrew First. Do I get paid any less for it? Economy of Effort my dear boy, a principle of war.
Good to see things don't change Beagle, I don't think I used to even make it back to my "poly" (happy mike?) on a Friday morning!