Gay Pride?
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875, I'm gonna bill you for a new monitor. Replacing the one I just spat tea all over!
Being of taff persuasion myself, I'll make no comment about 'sheep love', but I was once told that you never want to be caught with a dead girl or a live boy in your bed. A rule I aim to stick to.
Being of taff persuasion myself, I'll make no comment about 'sheep love', but I was once told that you never want to be caught with a dead girl or a live boy in your bed. A rule I aim to stick to.
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Fact: As long as there have been homosexuals, and as long as there have been military forces, there have been (shock, horror) homosexuals in the military.
Fact: I have never had a problem working with gays (of both brands). He/she did not introduce themselves as "hi, I'm xxxx, and by the way I'm GAY!"
I don't care what you do in the privacy of your bedrooms as long as you don't try and force it down my throat (ummm...ahem - well, you know what I mean).
So what's my point?
1. Honest question. Do gays really need to have "Gay Pride" marches and such like to feel better about themselves? We have the Gay Mardi Gra in Sydney, which is almost a family event these days. I honestly think, no - they'd be happy enough just getting on with it like the rest of us.
2. What really winds me up is the higher-ups falling over themselves to be seen to be accepting and tolerant of gays. Not that there's anything wrong with that. It's the politicising of the issue which really p!sses me off. ("Oooh, look at us! We're SOOOO tolerant of gays!")
Bex and a lie down in order, I feel.......
Fact: I have never had a problem working with gays (of both brands). He/she did not introduce themselves as "hi, I'm xxxx, and by the way I'm GAY!"
I don't care what you do in the privacy of your bedrooms as long as you don't try and force it down my throat (ummm...ahem - well, you know what I mean).
So what's my point?
1. Honest question. Do gays really need to have "Gay Pride" marches and such like to feel better about themselves? We have the Gay Mardi Gra in Sydney, which is almost a family event these days. I honestly think, no - they'd be happy enough just getting on with it like the rest of us.
2. What really winds me up is the higher-ups falling over themselves to be seen to be accepting and tolerant of gays. Not that there's anything wrong with that. It's the politicising of the issue which really p!sses me off. ("Oooh, look at us! We're SOOOO tolerant of gays!")
Bex and a lie down in order, I feel.......
Now if Sheep could cook! I might consider marriage again.
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16 Blades. You've got more faces than the Town Hall clock. 
Normal homosexual: "An oxymoron if ever I heard one. I'd love to know just what constitutes an 'abnormal' homosexual....."
"I am NOT intolerant or bigoted towards homosexuals"
Normal homosexual: "An oxymoron if ever I heard one. I'd love to know just what constitutes an 'abnormal' homosexual....."
"I am NOT intolerant or bigoted towards homosexuals"
Obviously time to let this thread die now as I have been totally won over by the quite brilliant minority tactic of shouting the same thing over and over again and then screaming "racist/homophobe"-(delete as applicable) at anyone who disagrees.
Telling comment on our society that I am branded the pervert and deviant for admitting that I would be tempted to look at members of the opposite sex. It is strange to see phrases such as "libidinous" and "exercise some self control" nowadays - thought they went out of common usage in the 1930's. Also strange that these victorian comments come from members of society who find my "normal" heterosexual behaviour obviously abhorent and yet indulge in sexual behaviour that the majority of the British public find distasteful.
Telling comment on our society that I am branded the pervert and deviant for admitting that I would be tempted to look at members of the opposite sex. It is strange to see phrases such as "libidinous" and "exercise some self control" nowadays - thought they went out of common usage in the 1930's. Also strange that these victorian comments come from members of society who find my "normal" heterosexual behaviour obviously abhorent and yet indulge in sexual behaviour that the majority of the British public find distasteful.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
quite brilliant minority tactic
I think you will find it represents the view of the democratic majority.
I am branded the pervert and deviant for admitting that I would be tempted to look at members of the opposite sex
By whom and where?
these victorian comments come from members of society who find my "normal" heterosexual behaviour obviously abhorrent
Who suggested this?
A few years ago someone posted a paper justifying the exclusion of homosexuals from the US forces. It received much support. Then the poster pointed it out it was a copy of the a paper issued in the 1930s to justify the exclusion of Negroes - he had just replaced the term "black" with "homosexual".
I assure you that if, in 25 years as an officer, I had had the power to get rid of racist, sexist, homophobic, bigots who disgraced their uniforms - they would have outnumbered the number of homosexuals by several factors, and we would have been far better off for it.
I think you will find it represents the view of the democratic majority.
I am branded the pervert and deviant for admitting that I would be tempted to look at members of the opposite sex
By whom and where?
these victorian comments come from members of society who find my "normal" heterosexual behaviour obviously abhorrent
Who suggested this?
A few years ago someone posted a paper justifying the exclusion of homosexuals from the US forces. It received much support. Then the poster pointed it out it was a copy of the a paper issued in the 1930s to justify the exclusion of Negroes - he had just replaced the term "black" with "homosexual".
I assure you that if, in 25 years as an officer, I had had the power to get rid of racist, sexist, homophobic, bigots who disgraced their uniforms - they would have outnumbered the number of homosexuals by several factors, and we would have been far better off for it.
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I think you will find that "EVERY" hetro sexual man on the planet could produce a believable and credible reason for being caught "in" a sheep
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Orac,
Suggest you read the last few posts by tablet and Scud etc. Self obvious.
Agree with you that there is no place for sexists, homophobes etc. If you read all of my posts you will see that as part of an airline crew I work and socialise with homosexual cabin crew. With very few objections I have absolutely no problem working in this environment and find the gay stewards very good at their job. Don't agree with their lifestyle but, hey that's their business.
Suggest you read the last few posts by tablet and Scud etc. Self obvious.
Agree with you that there is no place for sexists, homophobes etc. If you read all of my posts you will see that as part of an airline crew I work and socialise with homosexual cabin crew. With very few objections I have absolutely no problem working in this environment and find the gay stewards very good at their job. Don't agree with their lifestyle but, hey that's their business.
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I have realised that the MOD of today is nothing like the one I joined. Fair enough, my mistake, times change. I do accept that homosexuals serve in the forces, and as I have said, I do not object to homosexuals per se, but it was just about the least acceptable form of behaviour for nearly all of my service, and that of countless generations before me.
My parting points:
The point of sex is procreation. Needs a woman and a man to be successful.
The point of Her Majesty's Armed Forces is to implement by force (if necessary) the policies of the government of the day.
The two are not related.
Time to retire from contribution on this subject.
R
My parting points:
The point of sex is procreation. Needs a woman and a man to be successful.
The point of Her Majesty's Armed Forces is to implement by force (if necessary) the policies of the government of the day.
The two are not related.
Time to retire from contribution on this subject.
R
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16 Blades. You've got more faces than the Town Hall clock.
Normal homosexual: "An oxymoron if ever I heard one. I'd love to know just what constitutes an 'abnormal' homosexual....."
"I am NOT intolerant or bigoted towards homosexuals"
Normal homosexual: "An oxymoron if ever I heard one. I'd love to know just what constitutes an 'abnormal' homosexual....."
"I am NOT intolerant or bigoted towards homosexuals"
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homosexual behaviour is not normal.
And in the words of 'The Bloodhound Gang'
You and me baby ain't nothin' but mammals
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"Normal" is the catch - the same argument cold say that being male isn't normal in the UK, or wearing spectacles isn't normal. Semantically correct but lacking the nuances :-)
I can't think of an alternative phrase though.
I can't think of an alternative phrase though.
Hear a good joke on the radio this morning.
Two married couples decide to 'spice things up' by swapping partners. After two hours of mad passion, one guys says '****, that was great ............wonder how the two girls are getting on'.
Two married couples decide to 'spice things up' by swapping partners. After two hours of mad passion, one guys says '****, that was great ............wonder how the two girls are getting on'.
Knowing that a policy change was inevitable may well explain why the MoD replaced the old style ‘John Wayne’ toilet paper for a much softer brand in the late 80’s.
And to think people accuse the MoD of being uncaring.
And to think people accuse the MoD of being uncaring.
Gay Pride? And the Army/MoD allows its personnel to appear in uniform? If I were to organise a xxxxing pride march for the hetrosexual public, would members of the armed forces be allowed to attend? In uniform? The MoD would have had something to say if a soldier had paraded in uniform with the Countryside Alliance , with the BNP, the Poll Tax demonstrations, the Kop End at Anfield or at the Notting Hill Carnival. The point of my minor rant is I believe the Armed Forces to be a non-political, neutral part of the government elect. This has political correctness written all over it. If a serviceman/woman/convertee wishes to declare his/her/either beliefs/orientations etc, crack on lofty but NOT in Her Majesty's uniform that despite recent knockings, I am still proud to wear. When the occasion is appropriate.
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I've already mentioned I'm not in favour of uniformed personnel taking part in gay pride, because it may lead to cynical photo ops, like the one we saw the other weekend. I'm not sure, however, there is a valid argument against such participation on political grounds.
All but the most banal deployment of uniformed military personnel is going to be "political" to someone. A republican (or for that matter, any taxpayer) might object to guardsmen being used to convey The Queen's personal luggage to one of Her Majesty's holiday homes. An atheist might object to military personnel attending a church parade at public expense. Almost anyone could take exception to a Tornado flying a display sortie at an arms show. The list is endless. Personally, I wouldn't see any harm in a uniformed presence at Notting Hill. BNP, Poll Tax and Countryside Alliance marches, however, have an overriding political purpose, rather than a celebratory one. I appreciate it is a fine line, but it's a case of like it or lump it, I'm afraid.
I've already mentioned I'm not in favour of uniformed personnel taking part in gay pride, because it may lead to cynical photo ops, like the one we saw the other weekend. I'm not sure, however, there is a valid argument against such participation on political grounds.
All but the most banal deployment of uniformed military personnel is going to be "political" to someone. A republican (or for that matter, any taxpayer) might object to guardsmen being used to convey The Queen's personal luggage to one of Her Majesty's holiday homes. An atheist might object to military personnel attending a church parade at public expense. Almost anyone could take exception to a Tornado flying a display sortie at an arms show. The list is endless. Personally, I wouldn't see any harm in a uniformed presence at Notting Hill. BNP, Poll Tax and Countryside Alliance marches, however, have an overriding political purpose, rather than a celebratory one. I appreciate it is a fine line, but it's a case of like it or lump it, I'm afraid.