Typhoon Close Call At RIAT
I have sneaking feeling that it went as planned but 100ft too low.
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If anyone's got video (in a digital format) and wants to share it with us but is wondering how, then know that for $4.95 USD you can have a video clip hosted
No connection with that service other than as an occasional consumer.
PS Hosting a video there and passing on the link is unlikely to bring sundry unnamed systems crawling to a halt (cfr attaching it to a message which is forwarded many times).
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PS Hosting a video there and passing on the link is unlikely to bring sundry unnamed systems crawling to a halt (cfr attaching it to a message which is forwarded many times).
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Look here for the best pic so far
http://www.ukar.co.uk/board/ikonboar...0;t=4868;st=20
http://www.ukar.co.uk/board/ikonboar...0;t=4868;st=20
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Frankly, I don't give a twopenny stuff whether the pilot screwed up - he learned something, and he won't do it agian, and someone with less ability might just be persuaded not to even try it - or gets bollocked.
He lived to talk about it.
Folks, we got a result. Our colleague is still with us.
He lived to talk about it.
Folks, we got a result. Our colleague is still with us.
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Just thinking back to the now infamous Thunderbirds crash - when on earth would you decide to eject during a manoeuvre like that? Hank obviously did, our guy didn't. Would it have been obvious to the guy that he was going to make it after all, despite how close it appears?
Not criticising, just curious. It's real big balls stuff.
Not criticising, just curious. It's real big balls stuff.
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Enough guys have piled in showing off. This was a display pilot flying a professional display, not just cuffing it, and something went wrong. It wil come out in the wash, let's just be grateful that the result is a mate still walking this earth and no hole in the ground.
It's unlikely that what happened will make its way onto PPRuNe.
However, I do hope the pilot's story will make its way, in the manner of these things, to display pilots of similar types - preferably over a beer or two, and it may well stop someone else stoofing in.
However, I do hope the pilot's story will make its way, in the manner of these things, to display pilots of similar types - preferably over a beer or two, and it may well stop someone else stoofing in.
Fact - Something didn't go as planned.
Fact - The reason isn't known.
But if the pilot later flew his display in the other aircraft and it was approved, the root cause is unlikely to have been pilot proficiency, I would venture to suggest.
Remember the MiG 29 prang at Paris? Initial speculation was that the pilot had porked it; however, it was later seen to have ingested a bird and lost a lot of thrust as a result. That very clever Russian seat saved him!
Congratulations to the Typhoon mate for getting back on the horse so quickly afterwards - and proving himself so capable!
Fact - The reason isn't known.
But if the pilot later flew his display in the other aircraft and it was approved, the root cause is unlikely to have been pilot proficiency, I would venture to suggest.
Remember the MiG 29 prang at Paris? Initial speculation was that the pilot had porked it; however, it was later seen to have ingested a bird and lost a lot of thrust as a result. That very clever Russian seat saved him!
Congratulations to the Typhoon mate for getting back on the horse so quickly afterwards - and proving himself so capable!
But if the pilot later flew his display in the other aircraft and it was approved, the root cause is unlikely to have been pilot proficiency, I would venture to suggest.
Champagne anyone...?
Ah, but as you well know lots of bits of the J (for example) are all software driven and all those systems perform the same on each 'frame without any glitches don't they.......? All it takes is a stray wigglyamp or a duff sensor input and away you go.
But the J is not Fly by wire, and therefore much of the software is not subject to the same standards and safety standards that are carried out on the FCS software.
Personally I am not bothered at the reason or outcome of whatever was the cause/problem as long as the crew and joe public are safe, and my xx Million pounds of taxpayers money is in one piece. It just shows the sheer power and agility of this aircraft, how many modern fighters would have recovered?.
Personally I am not bothered at the reason or outcome of whatever was the cause/problem as long as the crew and joe public are safe, and my xx Million pounds of taxpayers money is in one piece. It just shows the sheer power and agility of this aircraft, how many modern fighters would have recovered?.
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The image in question. I am not a Pilot but I have been photographing airshows for 20 years and that was the closest to the ground I have seen a fast jet come with his wheels up. I honestly though I was about to photograph an accident.
The important thing is that he walked away and had the raw nerve to fly again that evening (without the flick before the high alpha pass).
That is worth credit where it is due IMHO.
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Plaudits all round I see
What will the BOI say ?
The pilot nearly failed to comply with the display instructions ?
The ac narrowly avoided crashing during the agreed display profile ?
That spectacular display manoeuvre had not been ratified by the AOC !
This was a dangerous situation which threatened the safety of the ac, the pilot and the public.
And so on !
Or will he get a Green Endorsment in his Log Book for saving a valuable aeroplane ?
You've only got too much fuel when your on fire!!
What will the BOI say ?
The pilot nearly failed to comply with the display instructions ?
The ac narrowly avoided crashing during the agreed display profile ?
That spectacular display manoeuvre had not been ratified by the AOC !
This was a dangerous situation which threatened the safety of the ac, the pilot and the public.
And so on !
Or will he get a Green Endorsment in his Log Book for saving a valuable aeroplane ?
You've only got too much fuel when your on fire!!
Suspicion breeds confidence
I have seen some more photos and I would say he came within 25ft of the deck. I would class that as an arse gripping experience in anyone's book. Well done for staying with it and saving the RAF and BWoS from a very embarrasing situation. Presumably the bang out handle is in the usual place on a Typhoon. I would imagine his hand was quite near it at some point. I have a hard time imagining this was a pilot induced problem.
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He was lucky, he put the ac in a postition where it was difficult to recover, in other words, he messed up.
Why should we be giving him credit?
The guy has made a miraculous recovery of a very dangerous/life threatening situation.
Think he desreves a pat on the back first, then criticism if it is later proved to be pilot error
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Actually, at a public airshow, I believe he should be red carded for at least the rest of the day. Politically too sensitive to red card the BWOS jet for the whole show, but it would give the pilot time to contemplate his mortality (and those of the punters), a comprehensive debrief with the engineers/show organisers, and then make a decision on what to do next. There are only 3 possible causes, missed a key height, wrong speed/amount of 'G', or a technical problem. I would imagine that once he realised how close it was going to be, he was probably outside seat parameters.