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I think your thread and post has thankfully been deleted by someone more sensitive than you.
If you think that pages of condolences are 'over the top' and that military aircrew should expect this sort of thing to happen, then please come to Lyneham and explain yourself to the hundreds of grieving relatives, friends and workmates.
In the meantime go away and never come back.
I would like to add my condolences to the (thankfully) expanding list.
I think your thread and post has thankfully been deleted by someone more sensitive than you.
If you think that pages of condolences are 'over the top' and that military aircrew should expect this sort of thing to happen, then please come to Lyneham and explain yourself to the hundreds of grieving relatives, friends and workmates.
In the meantime go away and never come back.
I would like to add my condolences to the (thankfully) expanding list.
I think that an apology from whoever it was who chose to merge these 2 threads would be appropriate.
Regrettably it has caused considerable and wholly avoidable ill-feeling and has detracted totally from the sentiments of the original thread.
Regrettably it has caused considerable and wholly avoidable ill-feeling and has detracted totally from the sentiments of the original thread.
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I was in Kuwait over the weekend when I heard this tragic news. My thoughts are with the Lyneham families and crews, and let's not forget the British Army loss too.
God speed brothers.
God speed brothers.
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I disagree BEags. Everyone has a right to post. It is when they make posts such as those I have dealt with that have to be shown the door. To have removed the thread altogether would have deprived the senstitive posters their rights and that WOULD be wrong.
As ex mil, and with some super friends at Lyneham, I feel the hurt too and I do not propose letting idiots on this particular thread.
As ex mil, and with some super friends at Lyneham, I feel the hurt too and I do not propose letting idiots on this particular thread.
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I, like many of the others posting on this forum have great sympathy for the family and friends of yesterdays tragedy, but lets not get sidetracked by certain "jerks" ie MOOSP, who want to hijack this forum for their own entertainment, before you reply to these posts read the warning on the bottom of every page,
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Those trying their best to wait in hope and patience to hear about particular individuals they know, may wish to know that at or after 1200Z tomorrow, Tuesday, the casualty list is expected to appear here.
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MOOSP i think i get the thrust of your post and i hope it was not meant to be as offensive as it came across. Im not getting angry just a bit bewildered at your post. The only way i can really get you to understand just what it was that has managed to wind people up is to put it into a civilian context. Apologies if your ex military but i could not work that out from you profile.
Lets set the scene, you apply too be an RAF pilot, you get selected to go forward for selection tests, you meet lots more guys doing the same. You get chatting, find out you have the same interests, hobbies, from the same town, went to school with some of them. You do you selection (4 days of pure hell with your new mates.) 2 weeks later an envelope arrives, you open it, you have passed, you wildest dream from when you were 5 has just came true.
You pitch up for your basic officer training and who is there with you, its your 3 new mates from selection, good a friendly face. For 6 months your new mates now become your best mates having been through hell and back several times and always within shouting distance of you new mates for 6 months solid. You have been away some weekends to visit your civilian friends back home along with your new friends. Old friends dont understand about the RAF and it weird ways, but there still your friends.
Anyway you graduate as a shiny new officer, you get the drunkest you have ever been in your life with your new mates who know exactly what you have been through the last 6 months. Now the start of flying training, but its ok your new mates are there with you.
First the groundschool and crazy teachings about stuff that is so boring, not too worry you have every weekend off to party with the lads. So friday comes, its happy hour and you all get very happy before going into town to show the lady folk how happy you are. The end of the night comes you all end up going back to camp, some alone some with new lady friends. Morning comes, you dont feel so happy, all the stories from the night before get out. Male bonding in the pub nursing some unhappy heads begins, by 7pm your ready to go again, this time 1 of your friends meets a lady he likes on the lads night out. Its monday before you know it time for flying training, some of you struggle at the weird skill that is known as aviating. A few weeks later you all go solo, some happy juice is consumed after the day is over, you all feel like real pilots now. another year has gone and your getting streamed, luckily you get streamed the same as you mates.Your friends from back home dont really have anything in common with you anymore, you speak less and less till you drift apart.
Now its off to the next stage of flying, just time for some lads holidays in between and a few adventure training courses. You start flying at your next stage of training, but now you have faced some very scary foreign women, skydiving, lots of beer and some scuba diving with the lads, life is pretty rosey for you all. Again more stress with more and more demanding check rides with your mates, another year gone and you have all passed. You are now real pilots with wings and everything. ! of your mates is so elated he proposes to his girlfriend who has stuck by him through 2 years of hell for him and just as bad for her having a part time boyfriend sometimes.
Time for the operational conversion unit, time to learn exactly what it is that you were meant to be doing for the last 2.5- 3.5 yrs operational flying. This is the most demanding part of your flying training. you all struggle with it but all of you manage to get out the other end successfully. Eventually after what seems like a life time you all get posted to your first real squadrons. For the first time you end up on different squadrons but the same aircraft type.
Your best mates in the world are now on the other side of the airfield. Its okay though it just means that you have more excuses for mischief with the guys seeing as they are after all on the 2nd best squadron after yours. After being on the squadron a year you now officially are able to go to war and are combat ready. Its taken between 4 and 5 years to just be able to go away into the big bad world as a big boy.
Still no time to worry silly things like war your the best man at your mates wedding. Its the best wedding you have ever been to. The bride thinks your great and puts up with all your childish carry on that you and her hubby have got up too over the years. She is like a sister to you, helps you remember your mums birthday etc. etc. another years or 5 passes, you both have settled into job really well your both married, your wives are best friends as well. Every year you have been away on a couples holiday, you do EVERYTHING together, for 10yrs you and your mate have been joined at the hip. This year your mate tells you that they cant afford to go on a holiday this year, why? Twins are on there way, you are almost as excited as your mate, to top it all he wants you to be the godfather!!
2 months to go and that detachment that has been running for 2 years now has come round again, your mate is off to iraq, again. You have a few beers the friday before he goes, you bid him fairwell and tell him to try and not top his tan up too much. You get a few e-mails, asking how his wife is getting on, any gossip from the sqn, him telling you its so sunny and warm, wish you were here etc. etc.
"NEWSFLASH----- RAF aircraft crashes"
Your best friend in the world is now dead!!!!!!!!!
No warning, no last goodbye
Now civilian flying is a job, you pitch up monday to friday. Dont know how many kids half of the guys you work beside have never mind their names or how old they are. At the end of the day you go home. You dont Eat, sleep, work and play with the same guys 24/7. Its a TOTALLY, TOTALLY different environment and job. On a day to day basis you are doing things that would get civilian pilots thrown in jail for years if they done it because its so dangerous.
You can easily move to another job whenever you decide things are not going how you like. You dont have to implicitally trust the guy next to you in the same way a military pilot does. Daily we make decisions that can kill ourselves and everybody onboard hence the military bond, ask some of your pilots where they find there was a better bond and where the had that real feeling of true friendship, the military or civilian flying.
I hope this goes some way to try and explain why we feel so much loss for these guys, its not just family in the sense of wife and kids, but the bigger and sometimes more understanding aircrew family who really and truly feel the loss as well. I never knew any of the guys who unfortunately never beat the clock......... but, i really do feel a true and deeply sad loss for my aircrew mates from Lyneham.
RIP guys
Lets set the scene, you apply too be an RAF pilot, you get selected to go forward for selection tests, you meet lots more guys doing the same. You get chatting, find out you have the same interests, hobbies, from the same town, went to school with some of them. You do you selection (4 days of pure hell with your new mates.) 2 weeks later an envelope arrives, you open it, you have passed, you wildest dream from when you were 5 has just came true.
You pitch up for your basic officer training and who is there with you, its your 3 new mates from selection, good a friendly face. For 6 months your new mates now become your best mates having been through hell and back several times and always within shouting distance of you new mates for 6 months solid. You have been away some weekends to visit your civilian friends back home along with your new friends. Old friends dont understand about the RAF and it weird ways, but there still your friends.
Anyway you graduate as a shiny new officer, you get the drunkest you have ever been in your life with your new mates who know exactly what you have been through the last 6 months. Now the start of flying training, but its ok your new mates are there with you.
First the groundschool and crazy teachings about stuff that is so boring, not too worry you have every weekend off to party with the lads. So friday comes, its happy hour and you all get very happy before going into town to show the lady folk how happy you are. The end of the night comes you all end up going back to camp, some alone some with new lady friends. Morning comes, you dont feel so happy, all the stories from the night before get out. Male bonding in the pub nursing some unhappy heads begins, by 7pm your ready to go again, this time 1 of your friends meets a lady he likes on the lads night out. Its monday before you know it time for flying training, some of you struggle at the weird skill that is known as aviating. A few weeks later you all go solo, some happy juice is consumed after the day is over, you all feel like real pilots now. another year has gone and your getting streamed, luckily you get streamed the same as you mates.Your friends from back home dont really have anything in common with you anymore, you speak less and less till you drift apart.
Now its off to the next stage of flying, just time for some lads holidays in between and a few adventure training courses. You start flying at your next stage of training, but now you have faced some very scary foreign women, skydiving, lots of beer and some scuba diving with the lads, life is pretty rosey for you all. Again more stress with more and more demanding check rides with your mates, another year gone and you have all passed. You are now real pilots with wings and everything. ! of your mates is so elated he proposes to his girlfriend who has stuck by him through 2 years of hell for him and just as bad for her having a part time boyfriend sometimes.
Time for the operational conversion unit, time to learn exactly what it is that you were meant to be doing for the last 2.5- 3.5 yrs operational flying. This is the most demanding part of your flying training. you all struggle with it but all of you manage to get out the other end successfully. Eventually after what seems like a life time you all get posted to your first real squadrons. For the first time you end up on different squadrons but the same aircraft type.
Your best mates in the world are now on the other side of the airfield. Its okay though it just means that you have more excuses for mischief with the guys seeing as they are after all on the 2nd best squadron after yours. After being on the squadron a year you now officially are able to go to war and are combat ready. Its taken between 4 and 5 years to just be able to go away into the big bad world as a big boy.
Still no time to worry silly things like war your the best man at your mates wedding. Its the best wedding you have ever been to. The bride thinks your great and puts up with all your childish carry on that you and her hubby have got up too over the years. She is like a sister to you, helps you remember your mums birthday etc. etc. another years or 5 passes, you both have settled into job really well your both married, your wives are best friends as well. Every year you have been away on a couples holiday, you do EVERYTHING together, for 10yrs you and your mate have been joined at the hip. This year your mate tells you that they cant afford to go on a holiday this year, why? Twins are on there way, you are almost as excited as your mate, to top it all he wants you to be the godfather!!
2 months to go and that detachment that has been running for 2 years now has come round again, your mate is off to iraq, again. You have a few beers the friday before he goes, you bid him fairwell and tell him to try and not top his tan up too much. You get a few e-mails, asking how his wife is getting on, any gossip from the sqn, him telling you its so sunny and warm, wish you were here etc. etc.
"NEWSFLASH----- RAF aircraft crashes"
Your best friend in the world is now dead!!!!!!!!!
No warning, no last goodbye
Now civilian flying is a job, you pitch up monday to friday. Dont know how many kids half of the guys you work beside have never mind their names or how old they are. At the end of the day you go home. You dont Eat, sleep, work and play with the same guys 24/7. Its a TOTALLY, TOTALLY different environment and job. On a day to day basis you are doing things that would get civilian pilots thrown in jail for years if they done it because its so dangerous.
You can easily move to another job whenever you decide things are not going how you like. You dont have to implicitally trust the guy next to you in the same way a military pilot does. Daily we make decisions that can kill ourselves and everybody onboard hence the military bond, ask some of your pilots where they find there was a better bond and where the had that real feeling of true friendship, the military or civilian flying.
I hope this goes some way to try and explain why we feel so much loss for these guys, its not just family in the sense of wife and kids, but the bigger and sometimes more understanding aircrew family who really and truly feel the loss as well. I never knew any of the guys who unfortunately never beat the clock......... but, i really do feel a true and deeply sad loss for my aircrew mates from Lyneham.
RIP guys
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Pards ,
you would sit just behind me or stand right next to me as we both felt the joy of the labours of Hercules a smile never far from your lips.
Godspeed my friend.
you would sit just behind me or stand right next to me as we both felt the joy of the labours of Hercules a smile never far from your lips.
Godspeed my friend.
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To all the families and friends my condolences.
Thanks tonight to the station commander of RAF Lyneham for the invite to all ranks to the O's Mess for the wake in honour of one our depated departed team.
As a techie who knew one of the GEs fairly well - we all said tonight "there but for the grace of go I"
Faith and team work.
It says on our web site at RAF Lyneham that we are team Lyneham - WE ARE. So now we must stick together and with the support of true friends in side the mob and those in the know out side show support and faith for those who have lost.
We the techies, in our hearts, will keep a hangar door open and a candle burning in their memory.
Sumps
Thanks tonight to the station commander of RAF Lyneham for the invite to all ranks to the O's Mess for the wake in honour of one our depated departed team.
As a techie who knew one of the GEs fairly well - we all said tonight "there but for the grace of go I"
Faith and team work.
It says on our web site at RAF Lyneham that we are team Lyneham - WE ARE. So now we must stick together and with the support of true friends in side the mob and those in the know out side show support and faith for those who have lost.
We the techies, in our hearts, will keep a hangar door open and a candle burning in their memory.
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You said it all there - brought a tear to my eye with memories of other departed friends.
Deepest condolences to all at Lyneham and especially to the families and friends.
You said it all there - brought a tear to my eye with memories of other departed friends.
Deepest condolences to all at Lyneham and especially to the families and friends.
