Ap 3003
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Would rather they spent the money on this attempt to recognize the Service's proud history than more CCS / Fitness Test / Equal opportunities bolleaux...
As the rest of us are required to pander to the Regt / Admin fraternity with CCS / Fitness Test etc, perhaps we should introduce an annual 'aviation knowledge quiz' to redress the balance!
As the rest of us are required to pander to the Regt / Admin fraternity with CCS / Fitness Test etc, perhaps we should introduce an annual 'aviation knowledge quiz' to redress the balance!
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The foreword, by Sir Jock:
"This book is aimed primarily at those who have recently joined or are joining the Service..."
So why have they sent a copy to every single member - including those applying for redundancy, those who've PVR'd, those about to retire, those who may never join (ATC and UAS)?
So ignoring the fact that these books will have cost much more than a pound each, and that all serving, reserve, cadet and
UAS personnel are getting one which adds up to a lot more than 50,000 copies:
£50,000 would patch up some of the dreadfull accomodation our airmen live in.
£50,000 would build some great R&R facilities at several detachments.
£50,000 would upgrade a whole stations PC's to something above PII.
£50,000 would give tea and coffee to the guards on the gates who are not entitled to it.
Need I go on?
"This book is aimed primarily at those who have recently joined or are joining the Service..."
So why have they sent a copy to every single member - including those applying for redundancy, those who've PVR'd, those about to retire, those who may never join (ATC and UAS)?
So ignoring the fact that these books will have cost much more than a pound each, and that all serving, reserve, cadet and
UAS personnel are getting one which adds up to a lot more than 50,000 copies:
£50,000 would patch up some of the dreadfull accomodation our airmen live in.
£50,000 would build some great R&R facilities at several detachments.
£50,000 would upgrade a whole stations PC's to something above PII.
£50,000 would give tea and coffee to the guards on the gates who are not entitled to it.
Need I go on?
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ABIW,
No malice intended but a little more positivity on your part would better endear you to me! 30 years? Get some time in, old chap!
Actually, I have been involved in "how the RAF buys things" and at greater cost to the public purse than a few paperback books - billion pound projects to be precise (not Typhoon, MRA4 or even Nimrod AEW - before the flack rolls in), but hey ho! That was then and this is now. 40 to 50 thousand copies? A bulk order? Probably cost less than £1 each to produce through HMSO who published it.
Perhaps the answer to why AP3003 has been issued to all lies in the article on Page 6, Column 1 of the latest RAF News (21 Jan 05).
No malice intended but a little more positivity on your part would better endear you to me! 30 years? Get some time in, old chap!
Actually, I have been involved in "how the RAF buys things" and at greater cost to the public purse than a few paperback books - billion pound projects to be precise (not Typhoon, MRA4 or even Nimrod AEW - before the flack rolls in), but hey ho! That was then and this is now. 40 to 50 thousand copies? A bulk order? Probably cost less than £1 each to produce through HMSO who published it.
Perhaps the answer to why AP3003 has been issued to all lies in the article on Page 6, Column 1 of the latest RAF News (21 Jan 05).
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Splash,
ABIW is only voicing the views of the vast majority of people within the RAF. This is just yet another waste of desparately needed cash.
We are forever being told there is no money available, and yet we can suddenly find all of this money to waste on not-needed propaganda crap!
I only hope that some MP or some very senior officer has the balls to formaly complain at this disgraceful waste of money.
If a 'grunt' wasted this amount of money, he would be court marshalled and maybe even worse. When it's done by a very senior officer, he gets promoted or gets a gong out of it.
Sir Jock, you should have known better - shame on you Sir!
Kind regards to all
The Swinging Monkey
ABIW is only voicing the views of the vast majority of people within the RAF. This is just yet another waste of desparately needed cash.
We are forever being told there is no money available, and yet we can suddenly find all of this money to waste on not-needed propaganda crap!
I only hope that some MP or some very senior officer has the balls to formaly complain at this disgraceful waste of money.
If a 'grunt' wasted this amount of money, he would be court marshalled and maybe even worse. When it's done by a very senior officer, he gets promoted or gets a gong out of it.
Sir Jock, you should have known better - shame on you Sir!
Kind regards to all
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I have a difficult choice to make now. Do I put this spiffingly good AP in my new Royal Air Force rucksack or into my covert deployment rucksack. Perhaps if they issued us all with two copies then my problem would be solved! I think we need to establish a top-heavy working group to sort this problem out 
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Your view that there 'has not been any need for air combat since the Korean War' is nonsensical in several respects.
For example, the nature of the Cold War throughout the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's was based on deterrence and preparedness - and the UK played a key role along with its NATO partners in this respect. Are you seriously implying that the RAF's operation of various types of AD aircraft throughout that period was wasteful?
Your view that there 'has not been any need for air combat since the Korean War' is nonsensical in several respects.
For example, the nature of the Cold War throughout the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's was based on deterrence and preparedness - and the UK played a key role along with its NATO partners in this respect. Are you seriously implying that the RAF's operation of various types of AD aircraft throughout that period was wasteful?
I reckon that at least 30,000 of these comics are going to end up in file 13!.
Ap3003 is a very informative and usefull guide to what has gone before,the importance of airpower and the RAF's key asset- it's people, however why do we need it today when we can't even afford to issue medals for the last Gulf conflict.
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Don't chuck 'em in the FOD bin. Save at least one copy and send to:
PO Box 765
TOODYAY
Western Australia 6566
I'll gladly send the postage to any willing volunteer!
PO Box 765
TOODYAY
Western Australia 6566
I'll gladly send the postage to any willing volunteer!
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I've been told that the Spacecadets will be getting an issue, but if they really are being canned, then pick up a handfull and pop them into an envelope.
PM me and I can fetch them from the Guardroom and make sure they get to some keen young cadets, inc. daughter 2, who had her first AEF trip ten days ago!
I've been told that the Spacecadets will be getting an issue, but if they really are being canned, then pick up a handfull and pop them into an envelope.
PM me and I can fetch them from the Guardroom and make sure they get to some keen young cadets, inc. daughter 2, who had her first AEF trip ten days ago!
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Complete waste of time, there are about 30 copies sitting in my crewroom. Everybody knows they are there but nobody actually cares or wants them. Just as an aside there was the figure of £1.2m being thrown around by a few admin people for the production and distribution of the afore mention 50k copies.
Nuff said really
Nuff said really
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Splash Old Chum
Sorry for ruffling your feathers Sir but that's what us straight talking baldrick's tend to do
"Actually, I have been involved in "how the RAF buys things" and at greater cost to the public purse than a few paperback books - billion pound projects to be precise (not Typhoon, MRA4 or even Nimrod AEW - before the flack rolls in), but hey ho! That was then and this is now"
Perhaps you would care to enlighten us as to what marvels you have single handedly, procurred smartly no doubt, purchased on our behalf, as narrow sighted as I no doubt am, I cannot remember a single thing during my service to date which actually "did what it said on the can"
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
Sorry for ruffling your feathers Sir but that's what us straight talking baldrick's tend to do
"Actually, I have been involved in "how the RAF buys things" and at greater cost to the public purse than a few paperback books - billion pound projects to be precise (not Typhoon, MRA4 or even Nimrod AEW - before the flack rolls in), but hey ho! That was then and this is now"
Perhaps you would care to enlighten us as to what marvels you have single handedly, procurred smartly no doubt, purchased on our behalf, as narrow sighted as I no doubt am, I cannot remember a single thing during my service to date which actually "did what it said on the can"
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
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ABIW
Might "out" me if I were to do that, old chap.
But.......
It was before Smart procurement.
You've probably carried them but never dropped them!
They made it for Gulf 2 but ruined it for the Sadman.
They are air breathers but they never come home!
They were used in anger before their ISD!
Actually, a success story!
Might "out" me if I were to do that, old chap.
But.......
It was before Smart procurement.
You've probably carried them but never dropped them!
They made it for Gulf 2 but ruined it for the Sadman.
They are air breathers but they never come home!
They were used in anger before their ISD!
Actually, a success story!
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Heard a rumour today from some of the guys up here at ISK that you should not disgard the lovely shiney AP3003 as your knowledge and understanding of it will have to be commented upon in your AAR They even said that a Sqn with a 0 and a 2 in the number were told that there are to be 'checkers' on each sqn to quiz you on your knowledge 
Please, someone, tell me this is not so
Have our lords and masters totally lost the plot 
MadMark!!!
They even said that a Sqn with a 0 and a 2 in the number were told that there are to be 'checkers' on each sqn to quiz you on your knowledge Please, someone, tell me this is not so
Have our lords and masters totally lost the plot MadMark!!!
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Do you really need to ask if our lords and masters have lost the plot? The fact that AP3003 was even published in such numbers should answer that question.
A clear example of spending gone wrong if you ask me, as glum pointed out there are far better things to spend on than lots of books that will never get read. I know, how about another change of No1 uniform?
A clear example of spending gone wrong if you ask me, as glum pointed out there are far better things to spend on than lots of books that will never get read. I know, how about another change of No1 uniform?
