Redundancy payout to be announced in July?
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Sorry to be so pickey but ....
"Also, I want to reiterate the point that I was dealing with other ranks, and not aircrew."
So when is a Wg Cdr, Sqn Ldr, Flt Lt etc not a Wg Cdr, Sqn Ldr, Flt Lt ect - obviously when they don't wear a brevet.
Sorry to be so pickey but ....
"Also, I want to reiterate the point that I was dealing with other ranks, and not aircrew."
So when is a Wg Cdr, Sqn Ldr, Flt Lt etc not a Wg Cdr, Sqn Ldr, Flt Lt ect - obviously when they don't wear a brevet.
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I was dealing with non-aircrew of the rank up to and including (if memory serves) the rank of sgt.
I think you may have misconstrued what I said. I was not trying to make any point whatsoever in terms of aircrew vs non-aircrew.
However, now that you mention it, it is clear that different terms of service apply to many aircrew when compared with non-aircrew at all ranks. It may be (I don't know) that any redundancy boards which do sit, work to a different set of guidelines than we were faced with.
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I was dealing with non-aircrew of the rank up to and including (if memory serves) the rank of sgt.
I think you may have misconstrued what I said. I was not trying to make any point whatsoever in terms of aircrew vs non-aircrew.
However, now that you mention it, it is clear that different terms of service apply to many aircrew when compared with non-aircrew at all ranks. It may be (I don't know) that any redundancy boards which do sit, work to a different set of guidelines than we were faced with.
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STH.... I think you'll find it went up at least to Chf Tech level as in the place where I worked all 8 Chf Techs applied to go but not one got it! They all got nice letters telling them how invaluable they were! If I remember right a year later 5 of the 8 had gone anyway! So here's where they win every time - p*ss the blokes off enough for a few years then offer em a non existant redundancy package and they'll go anyway! Don't get your hopes up theres no cash to pay for it!
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Its a sad fact, but with all the pressures the govt. are puttin on us and the threat of more deployment and Fresco II, most NCA would walk tomorrow. a lot of us are becomming increasingly dissolutioned with the hierachy and have no faith in them, so it would appear the policy of "piss them off and they will f**k off" seems to be working. A sad day, as we all love our work, but we never signed up to be exploited.
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The Pongos was having the same problem, until it was exposed that the policy was being abused to cut costs
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...2Fnsquad29.xml
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Mark Doyle, 40, from Buckley, north Wales, was a vehicle mechanic in the Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers based at Aldershot, Hants.
He joined the Army in 1987 and three years later was sent to Saudi Arabia to take part in the 1991 Gulf war. After his unit returned to the UK he failed his fitness test.
"I had always run the test very easily, but this time I collapsed with breathing difficulties," he said. "The instructor thought I had had a heart attack."
He was taken to hospitals for tests and diagnosed with chronic sinusitis. "I was put on light duties and two years later I was discharged. They brown enveloped me."
The expression "brown enveloped" refers to the process whereby soldiers learn that they are to be manning controlled when they are handed a letter warning them that they are to be discharged.
Despite the diagnosis, and the MoD's denial that Gulf War Syndrome exists, it was given as the reason for his discharge papers. He developed brain damage, arthritis and chronic fatigue. Hospital tests showed he had frontal lobe damage caused by neuro-toxin damage.
For a while, Mr Doyle attempted to fight for compensation but now lives as quietly as possible with his wife in north Wales. "At the end of the day I decided to give up and go home and die in my own time."
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Mark Doyle, 40, from Buckley, north Wales, was a vehicle mechanic in the Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers based at Aldershot, Hants.
He joined the Army in 1987 and three years later was sent to Saudi Arabia to take part in the 1991 Gulf war. After his unit returned to the UK he failed his fitness test.
"I had always run the test very easily, but this time I collapsed with breathing difficulties," he said. "The instructor thought I had had a heart attack."
He was taken to hospitals for tests and diagnosed with chronic sinusitis. "I was put on light duties and two years later I was discharged. They brown enveloped me."
The expression "brown enveloped" refers to the process whereby soldiers learn that they are to be manning controlled when they are handed a letter warning them that they are to be discharged.
Despite the diagnosis, and the MoD's denial that Gulf War Syndrome exists, it was given as the reason for his discharge papers. He developed brain damage, arthritis and chronic fatigue. Hospital tests showed he had frontal lobe damage caused by neuro-toxin damage.
For a while, Mr Doyle attempted to fight for compensation but now lives as quietly as possible with his wife in north Wales. "At the end of the day I decided to give up and go home and die in my own time."
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I have heard that a number between 37K-41K will be announced some time before the summer recess - probably just before, in true weasel political style. Apparently most of the reductions will be TG1 and 2, with a lot of admin going when JPA happens. Also heard that Jag will definitely go.
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As someone who left in May 93 after 30 years this thread - and others in a similar vein - depress me enormously. I just hope that those that are left in this New Labour utopian dream (nightmare?) world are still able to instil a sense of national pride in the rest of us. While we 'old and crusty' may rant on about the declining personal standards etc etc - when it comes to the crunch the young men and women still manage to step up to the crease.
How much of that ethos will be knocked into touch with the latest morale busting tactics?
How much of that ethos will be knocked into touch with the latest morale busting tactics?
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I know we are speculating about possible numbers here but the USAF are looking to reduce their manning by 22500 by 2005. If they are reducing numbers by this amount then what can we expect?
Look forward to any announcement, whether they will announce anything in July or just continue to delay and get people more p***ed off so that they leave anyway.
Look forward to any announcement, whether they will announce anything in July or just continue to delay and get people more p***ed off so that they leave anyway.
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If the USAF are reducing their numbers, I wonder which way the "special relationship" will work in future? The White Paper states that there is little likelihood of UK PLC fighting independently of the Americans. Another decade of being Dubya's (and his successor's) bitch with no reciprocation!
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Alan,
If this thread "depresses you enormously", my top tip is not to bother reading it.
It clearly is of topical interest (look at the number of hits and replies).
PS Loyalty WAS a 2 way street when you left (I think), I'm not that convinced it is now, and it takes two to tango.
If this thread "depresses you enormously", my top tip is not to bother reading it.
It clearly is of topical interest (look at the number of hits and replies).
PS Loyalty WAS a 2 way street when you left (I think), I'm not that convinced it is now, and it takes two to tango.
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OK,
Excellent observation on the issue of Loyalty. But never forget that you are just a small pawn in the corporation's 'Big Scheme'..Unfortuately, as with most modern corporations, human resourcing is a small sub-section of the corporate 'Big Brother'. But unlike civillian corporations, the UK military, and indeed any other military organisation, is unable to effectively 'target' its 'high fliers' - or valuable human assets, nor does it have the ability to seduce retention with adequate packages or negotiations.
....and apologies for spelling... But you get the idea.....
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Excellent observation on the issue of Loyalty. But never forget that you are just a small pawn in the corporation's 'Big Scheme'..Unfortuately, as with most modern corporations, human resourcing is a small sub-section of the corporate 'Big Brother'. But unlike civillian corporations, the UK military, and indeed any other military organisation, is unable to effectively 'target' its 'high fliers' - or valuable human assets, nor does it have the ability to seduce retention with adequate packages or negotiations.
....and apologies for spelling... But you get the idea.....
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Anyone mind if I plug this website:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/index.html
It's not mine.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/index.html
It's not mine.
So, the 16th of July it is then.
The Commons goes on its hols immediately afterwards to let the flack die down hopefully before they come back months later when all is forgotton and some other crisis "hides" the bad news!
Surely they aren't scared of the immediate reaction are they?
The Commons goes on its hols immediately afterwards to let the flack die down hopefully before they come back months later when all is forgotton and some other crisis "hides" the bad news!
Surely they aren't scared of the immediate reaction are they?
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I have it on pretty good authority(from within MoD) that next week's announcement, if any, will be strictly broad-brush. The detailed bad news is being saved for September, when the threat or reality of a fire brigades' strike and its manpower implications for the services will have passed.
OKOC,
No he wasn't!
No he wasn't!