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Iraq - is there ANY hope?!?

Old 14th May 2004, 11:08
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Sorry mate Iím not defending your right to it anymore, no longer serve as one of Her Majestyís finest. Now an over paid and underworked telecoms consultant.

But you are still backpeddling like mad. My original point, clearly put in several posts a few days ago was that the inconsistancies mean you ask pertinant questions. I was right. You on the other hand were willing to accept the Mirrors view at essentially face value.

Try re-reading a few of my earlier posts.

You really are a bit dim and changing tack whenever you run up a blind alley is hardly the mark of intelligent debate.

Well Iím off on holiday for a fortnight but I will really miss the insightful informed posts and slashing whit of SS. NOT.

Tooodle pip.

P.S. I notice even on the other means you are about as popular as a turd at the dinner table. Hint, not everyone else is wrong.

Edited to add that I never said they were not in theatre I said they were not in theatre with the QLR. I did point that out several times for you. When you going to learn to read what people say not what you thought they said that suits your unsupportable argument.
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Old 14th May 2004, 11:16
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Vortex,
My original point, clearly put in several posts a few days ago was that the inconsistancies mean you ask pertinant questions. I was right. You on the other hand were willing to accept the Mirrors view at essentially face value.
I really suggest that you read my earlier posts. You have this completely wrong. As for accepting the Mirrors view, r e a d m y p o s t s !

I notice even on the other means you are about as popular as a turd at the dinner table.
Didn't realise this was a popularity contest. Of course not all my views will be agreeable to everyone, that is what discussion is about.

Have a nice holiday,

SS

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Old 14th May 2004, 11:35
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But you are!
No I'm not the piccies are fake. The ather 12 points don't need following up, one is good enough.

Shall enjoy my holiday thanks. Sadly can't find me floppy hat
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Old 14th May 2004, 11:37
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Sid,

Forgive me, but one point to factor in might be that the most clear-cut and effective assault on the Mirror's protestations would be to demonstrate that the pictures were taken somewhere other than Iraq.

If taken in (say) Preston, the case that the photos displayed abuse of an Iraqi prisoner becomes, shall we say, a little tenuous?

The other inconsistencies are neither here nor there once that key fact is established.

Pictures not taken in Iraq, ergo, they're fakes. No further elaboration or dissection required.

Of course, I could be wrong, but I think it is worth considering that possibility.
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Old 14th May 2004, 11:41
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Sorry, I edited at the same time vortex posted.
I said he was wrong.

However,

On page 4, of this thread, in my 2nd post I said;

"The arguments to substantiate that they are fakes don't stand up, IMHO.

I reckon they are trophy photographs, set up for a good story in the NAAFI back home, and it's all gone horribly wrong."

If you were to have read the post, that doesn't say that I think they are true now does it?

My point also is that experts said they were fake for 13 reasons. I disagreed and explained why.
Now, it seems only 1 of those reasons stands up.

What is so hard to understand?

Point taken Archimedes
Now, it seems only 1 of those reasons stands up.
Ok they are fake, I said it from the start.

But if an expert can only get 1 out of 13, can he still be called an expert?
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Old 14th May 2004, 12:25
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Morgan's Resignation

I doubt we will get a resignation, or even an apology, from Morgan; he is reported to have said yesterday: "The only hope of me resigning is NO HOPE and BOB HOPE". What a wit, hilarious!

Alas, as regards tabloid newspapers, ours are one of the worst facets of British life and my cynicism as to their truthfulness has meant that I have not done more than glance at one for years; when I heard the story about the pictures my first thought was 'I've heard the Mirror is anti-war, but this is really pushing it'.

My other reason for giving up tabloids is that the ink smudges when you wipe your a~~e with one; but the Guardian, now there's quality.
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Old 14th May 2004, 12:55
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It may not be up to Morgan.

Some of Trinity Mirror's large shareholders (I presume this means they hold large numbers of shares, rather than need to adopt a new dieting regime) are muttering darkly about Morgan becoming a liability to the paper.

If WWW's efforts start a mass 'Micturate on the Mirror' campaign (gleefully covered by the Sun, no doubt), leading to even more adverse publicity, the shareholders, not Morgan, will decide.

I gather that Soldier A is to appear on the TV tonight to say that the Mirror is telling the truth, and that the pictures are completely bona fide. If his performance is less than 110% credible, I wouldn't mind betting that the Mirror will have a new editor by 2005.
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Old 14th May 2004, 13:32
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I gather that Soldier A is to appear on the TV tonight to say that the Mirror is telling the truth, and that the pictures are completely bona fide.
My understanding is that Soldier C is the one to be interviewed on TV tonight. Soldier C has nothing to do with these photos and so will be able to say nothing new as to their validity. All he can discuss with any possible authority is what he claims to have witnessed himself.

So, in reality, in relation to the pictures published by that scum sucking sack of s#!t, Ponce [email protected] Morgan, in his extreemly poor excuse for a newspaper, Soldier C has nothing to add to this debate about whether the photographs themselves are real or not.

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Old 14th May 2004, 13:35
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MM - typical. Can't even rely on the Times to get things right these days!
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Old 14th May 2004, 13:57
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Mirror will have a new editor by 2005
Local or 'Z'?
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Old 14th May 2004, 14:07
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I was hoping no-one would ask that!
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Old 14th May 2004, 15:07
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Quote:

'that scum sucking sack of s#!t, Ponce [email protected] Morgan, in his extreemly poor excuse for a newspaper'

MM

I cannot help but detect a lack of empathy on your part for the esteemed editor of the Mirror? I'm sure he is good to his old mum, if indeed he knows who she is.

Archimedes

Cheering news, but whether it be Local or Zulu, I do hope we do not have to wait until five past eight this pm!
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Old 14th May 2004, 15:12
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Snippet gleaned from JB....
Stephen Fry was invited to give a word for which an meaning other than the original was appropriate......
"Countryside........the killing of Piers Morgan"

I had to say it out loud a couple of times before getting it
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Old 14th May 2004, 17:08
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I heard him say that and I laughed so loud I swore I'd lend him a kidney if he ever needed one.

Having not been to the pub this time I merely extracted all copies of the Mirror from the stand, and placed them in the bin across the road.

Cheers

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Old 14th May 2004, 17:46
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Piers Morgan has resigned:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3716151.stm

Daily Mirror editor Piers Morgan has stepped down following pressure to resign over faked photos of soldiers abusing an Iraqi prisoner.
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Old 14th May 2004, 17:54
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Excellent news! Just close the rag down and that's job done!

I think the most telling part of the statement though was:
The board of Trinity Mirror has decided that it would be inappropriate for Piers Morgan to continue in his role as editor of the Daily Mirror and he will therefore be stepping down with immediate effect.
So perhaps more of a push than a jump. But the net effect is the same.

Now....will others who supported 'Der Spiegel' and doubted that the photos were fakes also be falling on their swords?

Edited to remove typos.
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Old 14th May 2004, 17:58
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Fantastic!!

Now folks make sure you never buy a copy of that scumbag paper again. It should be banned from the anti-room in the mess.
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Old 14th May 2004, 18:19
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P Morgan sacked

Fabulous news! It's a real pity that the fake aspect won't be nearly as good a headline in Basrah et al. as the original lie and the damage has already been done.

Perhaps we could take Mr Morgan on a fact-finding trip to show him what he's been talking about though!
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Old 14th May 2004, 18:26
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Well, Archimedes - I hope timing is not too critical a function in your job
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Old 14th May 2004, 18:53
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Thankfully, no.

I confess, I thought that the Mirror group would weasel its way out by telling Morgan he had to go, but giving him the opportunity to 'move on to explore new exciting opportunities' and thanking the staff at the M****r for their support, etc, etc.

When I posted my previous, I first wrote 'by the end of the day' decided this was stupid, changed 'day' to month', but decided that this was wildly optimistic, so changed it. Fortunately, the Mirror Group bosses take a somewhat more robust view about honesty and credibility than Morgan. No matter that he'll probably wind up in some other well-paid job in a very short space of time, no matter how well it's dressed up, he's been sacked in disgrace. Which is jolly good.
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