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Defence: Public ignorance, the media, and cutbacks

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Defence: Public ignorance, the media, and cutbacks

Old 28th Feb 2021, 15:21
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WEBF - for years on the Carrier thread you've rubbished anyone who suggested that the RN wouldn't have enough manpower to run the Carriers AND the rest of the surface fleet.

Now that it has come to pass and they're floating the idea of cutting the destroyer/frigate fleet to 15 which would be "fully crewed"

"Sir Humphrey's Thin Pinstriped Line.... https://tinyurl.com/3s5bnvtv To Boldly Sail No More - Is There a Case for Scrapping Royal Navy Frigates?" by ORAC

your're still rubbishing anyone who suggests it may happen
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Old 28th Feb 2021, 15:54
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A personal opinion, they probably couldn't argue the case, but the Government needs to increase defence spending to something closer to 1990 level. On top of that, the approach to and method of recruitment needs to go back to basics. They might improve the retention rate and who knows, the standing ambitions of maintaining and operating what little we now have might just be possible.

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Old 28th Feb 2021, 17:31
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
WEBF - for years on the Carrier thread you've rubbished anyone who suggested that the RN wouldn't have enough manpower to run the Carriers AND the rest of the surface fleet.

Now that it has come to pass and they're floating the idea of cutting the destroyer/frigate fleet to 15 which would be "fully crewed"

"Sir Humphrey's Thin Pinstriped Line.... https://tinyurl.com/3s5bnvtv To Boldly Sail No More - Is There a Case for Scrapping Royal Navy Frigates?" by ORAC

your're still rubbishing anyone who suggests it may happen
No. I have rubbished the idea of axing core capabilities to free up manpower, and I have consistently said that the RN (and presumably the RAF) needs more people. The politicians may not have listened, but the First Sea Lord and the senior leadership has made things happen. An extra 3000 over three years!

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Old 7th Mar 2021, 11:07
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I saw this the other day and thought it thought provoking - particularly in times of possible cuts to frigate numbers or other elements of our forces being discussed.

Israeli article about the grey zone and maritime threats from IranIran learned from the experience that it cannot stand toe to toe — or hull to hull in this case — with the US in a conventional naval conflict. It instead developed a range of capabilities for asymmetrical naval warfare.

“It doesn’t just focus on one kind of attack,” Cordesman stressed. “It practices low- level attacks… It escalates to land-based anti-ship missiles. It conducts a mixture of attacks on shipping from platforms like drones, they use or at least encourage groups like the Houthis to use land-based missile attacks in sequence, or simultaneously with naval attacks. So this is not some kind of simplistic model. Effectively you’re talking about a country that knows how to play three-dimensional chess.”
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Iran has invested heavily in pursuing hegemony over the sea in its neighborhood. It has short, medium and long-range coastal anti-ship missiles, including the domestically produced Khalij Fars missile. Tehran has bought and produced submarines armed with long-range torpedoes. On the surface, the regular navy has a relatively robust fleet armed with anti-ship missiles. Its IRGC counterpart has invested in suicide speedboats and fast-attack craft to overwhelm enemy warships with swarm tactics. It can also target ships with UAVs, special forces raids and proxy forces throughout the region.

These elements are on display in Iran’s naval exercises. “Some involve amphibious elements, commando raids, strikes on islands, or platforms like drones,” said Cordesman. “Some involve the use of swarming tactics, others involve the use of remote-controlled surface vessels armed with explosives.”

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Old 7th Mar 2021, 12:02
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So Iran has built the type of navy and sea defences it needs to defend its coastline and territorial waters in a relatively narrow waterway, enough to give a potential opponent a bloody nose and think twice.

Seems like a sensible idea.
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Old 7th Mar 2021, 12:26
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So Iran has built the type of navy and sea defences it needs to defend its coastline and territorial waters in a relatively narrow waterway, enough to give a potential opponent a bloody nose and think twice.

Seems like a sensible idea.
Also the sort for it wage war against others in the region, forge alliances with Russia and China, and to support proxy and grey zone activities against their neighbours and the international community. I am not sure how giving things like anti ship missiles to their proxies in Lebanon and Yemen counts as defending their territorial waters.

I hope the politicians remember that the Atlantic is not the only place ASW is needed. I also hope that for all this talk of the Indo-Pacific, we are still in the Atlantic.

From Fundamental factors influencing British defence policies:

The Atlantic is a famously stormy ocean, and so are most of its subsidiary seas. These waters both directly link the UK to, and insulate (not isolate) it from, a huge swathe of the world. The Atlantic and North Sea also give access to the Baltic and Mediterranean and their littoral countries, as well as to the Arctic Ocean and its littoral countries (which include Russia).

The Atlantic also gives access, directly and indirectly, to the other great oceans of the world. In nautical terms, Argentina, Canada, Russia and South Africa, and every country in between, are neighbours of Britain.
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