Marshall proposes C-130 MPA conversion to UK
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Could that Telephonics 1700A martitime search radar in the Navy's new King Air trainers be fitted into one of those SAMSON pods?
It seems to be a fairly compact unit - and using it would give commonality with the navy helicopters
http://www.txgyro.com/10G_avionics_d...1700_flyer.pdf
It seems to be a fairly compact unit - and using it would give commonality with the navy helicopters
http://www.txgyro.com/10G_avionics_d...1700_flyer.pdf
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If we're truly that desperate for a fixed-wing pinger, there's a pair of MR.2 Shackletons at Gatwick, one at Coventry and two more at Paphos. They might need a bit of TLC though... 
Riley Dove,
You do not have to drop a weapon to deter, that is the whole point but, you will have to drop a shedload of other stuff and have the endurance to hang around and the speed to get back and reload or you will need a fleet of about 100 dedicated C130MPA types, just to maintain a continuous patrol in the deep Atlantic. C130s, Dash 8s etc, will not cut the mustard. You need a large integrated platform, with high cruise speed and the ability to loiter for long periods, preferably AARA capable = less aircraft maximum effect = global reach = multi-tasking
Dalek
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So if the Department of trade or the IMO would like to bung the MOD a few million, then maybe the MOD could take on this task!
You do not have to drop a weapon to deter, that is the whole point but, you will have to drop a shedload of other stuff and have the endurance to hang around and the speed to get back and reload or you will need a fleet of about 100 dedicated C130MPA types, just to maintain a continuous patrol in the deep Atlantic. C130s, Dash 8s etc, will not cut the mustard. You need a large integrated platform, with high cruise speed and the ability to loiter for long periods, preferably AARA capable = less aircraft maximum effect = global reach = multi-tasking
Dalek
At some stage in the foreseeable future, a large cruise liner is going to sink in the Eastern Atlantic.
We have nothing that can even carry any rescue/ survival equipment to 20W.
We have nothing that can even carry any rescue/ survival equipment to 20W.
So if the Department of trade or the IMO would like to bung the MOD a few million, then maybe the MOD could take on this task!
Responsibility for civil aeronautical and maritime SAR policy rests with the
Department for Transport, (DfT). As such, the DfT is responsible, through
the UK SAR Strategic Committee, for assessing the adequacy of UK civil
aeronautical and maritime SAR resources, response and co-ordination.
Department for Transport, (DfT). As such, the DfT is responsible, through
the UK SAR Strategic Committee, for assessing the adequacy of UK civil
aeronautical and maritime SAR resources, response and co-ordination.
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Not saying it would/could never happen but when you compare the RDR1700 to Searchwater (original not even 2k!) there is no comparison!
Its even worse if you look at what Searchwater 2K could have of achieved compared to a podded C-130 with what can only be described as a mediocre maritime radar.
I'm not trying to dwell in the past as what is done is done and any capability would be better than none at all, but to compare this to what the MR2 was capable of even just considering the SAR role is just wrong in my opinion.
Not saying it would/could never happen but when you compare the RDR1700 to Searchwater (original not even 2k!) there is no comparison!
Its even worse if you look at what Searchwater 2K could have of achieved compared to a podded C-130 with what can only be described as a mediocre maritime radar.
I'm not trying to dwell in the past as what is done is done and any capability would be better than none at all, but to compare this to what the MR2 was capable of even just considering the SAR role is just wrong in my opinion.
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Preaching to the converted Widger. I accept you expertise that a C130 will never make a decent MPA aircraft.
I know from my time at MPA that it could make a passable attempt at SAR.
Given a new radar and a palletised Comms cabin to bring it to USCG standard, it could do even better.
Whether the SAR aircraft is run by DfT or MOD will no doubt cause the usual inter departmental p**sing competition, but as far as operators and survivors are concerned, who cares.
Don't get me wrong, I would like the RAF to go back to the good old days of Blue Water anti-submarine capability. I just don't think the money will be forthcoming.
I know from my time at MPA that it could make a passable attempt at SAR.
Given a new radar and a palletised Comms cabin to bring it to USCG standard, it could do even better.
Whether the SAR aircraft is run by DfT or MOD will no doubt cause the usual inter departmental p**sing competition, but as far as operators and survivors are concerned, who cares.
Don't get me wrong, I would like the RAF to go back to the good old days of Blue Water anti-submarine capability. I just don't think the money will be forthcoming.
