Going Boeing
 

Hey Tail Rota The guys are smokin the right stuff

Check out the news item here

My money is on EK becoming mainly a Boeing Fleet.

What a Crack
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G''day Uplock

Surely Airbus would not allow EK to pull out of an order of 45 A380's . That would be the end of Airbus. The Arlines have known about this delay for a while and will have plans in place to cover the capacity shortfall.

However, Airbus will now be trying to minimise the loss finacially, not just over the short term, but the long term with regards to the A350/A370 potential. I think the cost to the French long term will never be known for sure.

As for the B747-8F ......well anything is posible......at the moment.... EK is still up for the A380's.....they havent cancelled anything yet....so we will have to see.

the Paris Airshow announcements will should reveal all:E


TR:ok:

As an asside, but how do you market a double decker sardine tin to passengers?

The only way I can figure that it would work for the ME markets would be to fill the top deck only with First/Business seats and make the bottom deck virtualy all economy or with some economy+

As for the 380 programme itself, I remember watching the building of it on the Discovery channel and could not figure how they can build it as a profit making business.:confused:

I mean, barging the wing down the Severn, at low tide and then loading it to a ship for France. Shutting down whole French villages at night to road transport sections of the plane....etc. :confused:

TR, guess you're not really up to date with your info (last years??)

First of all, the airlines were already annoyed with the initial delay, but Airbus announce only last week an additional delay of about 8 months with a 'domino' effect for deliveries through 2009.

Second, no Paris airshow this year, you might want to try your luck at Farnborough..


MR8

I would think EK have serious grounds to cancel a large number of the 380 orders. They are the largest 380 customer but they will be the 3td to get one behind SQ and QF who will both get their full quota before EK get one. I would think that being the largest customer EK has some pretty serious clout to change this. My guess is that they are waiting to hear what the internal changes will be at Airbus/EADS while negotiating some pretty serious cash back/ maintenance/alternatives deals etc with Airbus. If EK cancelled all 45 Airbus would be sunk.

The implication of a second delay to EK is massive. All of the growth projections are based on the delivery of the 380. So no bonuses for the next couple of years then...

At least it may meant the 380 gets delivered when the new terminal is ready to receive them!

Emirates has confirmed they WILL NOT back out of the deal. However with further delays I think it may change their mind about ordering airbus products in the future.

Even with the delays, EK will receive the 380's well before the first 747-8 is available. That combined with the absolute rock-bottomed price that EK received for the 380's makes cancellation of the order highly unlikely. On the other hand, I'm sure that Emirates will extract the maximum penalty from Airbus over this.

What if EK buy a squillion put options in EADS cancel their order make a squillion in the share slump, buy the company at rock bottom produce their A380 then resell or liquidate EADS , free A380s.....

ok guys.

Farnborough will reveal all.....:E or some airshow in the very near future:cool:

TR:ok:

PS......note to self....delete Paris from top bid to go to airshow this year

Surely if one customer were to cancel their order (e.g. ILFC for 10 or so) then everyone else would shuffle up the production line and they'd all be back on schedule?

:D

My tuppence worth!

EK wont be allowed to cancell := Take a look at the new terminal 3. Purpose built for the 380, so the face saving simply will not allow it:rolleyes:

A380 delay effect on upgrades
 

Has anyone given much thought to the effect of the further delay of the A380 on upgrades in EK.
I imagine there is much scrambling to save par in Toulouse as we speak and hopefully EK being true to form will manage to screw Airbus for a stopgap solution to the now elusive 380.
Maybe some temporary 340-500/600 aircraft might be made available to EK as a short term solution and upgrades will chug along at the stuttering pace they have been.
No doubt the powers that be will use this to their advantage to justify more Decs in some complex logic pattern that will elude all of us.:ugh:

All DEC recruitement should now stop. All offers to DECs not yet here should be withdrawn. They are no longer required.

No effect on 777 still commands in six months for some lucky guys and also still running on 3 years or less , whats the problem...........:=

delayed upgrades
 

I agree that DECs should be halted but as you know this will not be the case.Upgrades are still being affected on the BUS fleet ,just ask the last batch of 18 and this latest 380 story will provide an excuse to EK.
WAIT AND SEE:zzz:

EK talking about 380's delays.:=
http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1150893923.html

Um :confused: Isn't there a few other differences? Less fuel, admittedly, but just a tad less pax!

Maybe a lot easier than marketing a plastic airplane (airfix?)

Now, apart from being a Brit ( :E ), I'm NOT pro or anti either company - and I fly a lot in both brands. IMHO, as a pax, I can see good arguments for both DreamLiner and A380. I hope they both do well in the markets that they are aimed at!

Boing chose to laugh at ScareBus' idea of 500+ seats, and take a different approach. But now they are pushing the idea of "higher-capacity 747". When the 74' was first introduced, they suggested that "the top deck will eventually go all the way back", but then stopped working on that idea (maybe engines back then were not up to it) but now that A380 is knocking at the door, they are back on the "Super-Jumbo" track:confused: Sounds just a bit like sour grapes to me.

EK 380 Fleet
 

Hiya Gents,

Just wondering ... when the 380's start to arrive will recruitment be direct onto the 380 fleet ( FO's position ) or via the 330/340 ? also approx what will be the time to command for a new FO joining on the airbus fleet in general taking into account the 380 deliveries ?

Many thanks

Max

Since the airline is about half way to its estimated full pilot strength based on its growth plan (this is a pretty large generalization so don't dump all over me for it) and we are at about 1450 pilots presently this would mean that lots of new joiners will wait a long time for command. The current wait time is about 3.5 - 4 years for the Airbus and about 3 years on the B777. At the moment...

The A380 will be crewed by a mixture of direct entry FOs, cross trained FOs (mostly from the A330 and A340), and Captains from the Airbus Fleet.

k-o-t-s

With Airbus giving full training package to EK, I doubt it is wise for the co to have a preferred group. I hope they go for bidding system, me looking forward to get my hand on the mother of the sky.... BIG MAMA.

Since over one thousand pilot leaving EK, me think me have a very good chance.