lol, that wasn't even a good attempt :) back to the boat with you :)

IB57 the time frame is utterly unimportant, the fact that they hired DE f/o's on the Airbus widebody fleet is in contradiction to the "seniority system" they designed. It was done because it was easier than having to sit down and actually plan the movement of manpower from the A320 and B767 to the A330/A340. It suited them so the heck with senioity. Do you actually dispute that command upgrades out of seniority took place on the B767, even after the fiasco of the GT/AUH base's "new" seniority system they devised. One well known individual with strong family ties in GF comes to mind immediately, was he GT? He got command 2 months ago.


JB
Listen chap, first things first, I dont recall asking at any point in time for your suggestion or your opinion for that matter but rest assured that if I feel the urge to consult you I will. I will call a spade a spade and if that is not quite palatable with you then tough luck matey. You seem to consistently attack anyone who remotely says anything negative about the company by abusing their Pprune handle. Well I have bad news for you my name is Hair Y Balls, not much more in the form of abuse can you do with that.:O

"the time frame is utterly unimportant" ??? it is the basis for your whole criticism! so the time frame for 320 to widebody transfer is therefore unimportant...and at the company's convenience..upgrades on the 767 are happening according to seniority with senior FO's from the 330/340 fleet as well as the 767 fleet...I would recommend you not concern yourself with this until it is your turn..personally I think that any new joiners should remain on the fleet they are hired into for the duration of their initial training bond, this is in effect at many many airlines worldwide unless fleet size is reduced necessitating retraining on a different fleet..remember GF have historically never made anyone redundant, and have always retrained pilots on different fleets when their present fleet size was reduced, or phased out altogether..so why dont you try to bit a bit more positive in the face of your percieved ..adversity at least in the public forum...or is that too difficult a thing for you to do???:ugh:

Hairy nuts, the very fact you come on here and drone on about your miserable life in GF makes you unavoidable. Therefore you can just sit back and take it from anyone who feels like having a go, me included. If griping, moaning, bitching and generally dragging everyone down, was an olympic sport, you chap would get the gold! Be happy or move on, it's a simple life-lesson you should have learned a long time ago. Those of us who are happy in GF are fed up sharing a flight deck with a bunch of cry babies who have the maturity of a boiled egg. Command potential my ar$e.

Seniority, please.
 

Quote from IB:

..personally I think that any new joiners should remain on the fleet they are hired into for the duration of their initial training bond,

Hi there IB!
What if you don't have a Bond like many, many on 320?
How to handle all this different experiences?

My answer is a strict seniority system, like it was promised on the interview and laid down in the contract.

From "Schedule I, Pilots"

3. Seniority

Seniority is determined by the company and detailed in the Company's Operations Manual.

If you read OM-A, Chapter 5, Qualification Requirements, from 3 years ago, there was nothing concerning Direct Entry FOs.
These are facts. Black and white. There is no moaning, nor crying.

LNB

Direct Entry
 

LNB

Dude, check OMA again- 5.1.1 Initial employment - direct entry.
min req for all types specified. A330/40/76 Frozen icao atpl, xxxxhrs, type rating(may be waived).
This covers F/O dir entry at the company's discretion, their a*&es are well and truely covered. It also details Commanders direct entry guidelines on all fleets again-to justify DEC if required. Upgrades are dealt with in the next section 5.1.3.

Whats not covered and is subject to revision is the section 5.2.3.1.6.7 sub section b paragraph i) which states "the habibi network reserves the right to change some if not all the rules at any time for any purpose designated as benefitial to all registered members of the HN covered under subsection a above". (this is available on the new ops cd available at publications today-get yours while its hot)

Gents the long and short of it is, there is no official policy barring DEFO's-widebody, there was an undertaking to say "no more", but I think we know what that means and the value of the paper it was written on.

Hi there LNB, I agree and I believe that anyone with a conscience will and should agree with your comments because it is not fair.

On the other hand I am also sure that people like IB and Jackbauer will not agree nor you will not hear any comments supporting you from the direct entry 330 first officers . Because this system works for them, it's easy to justify anything with that logic. It's just like most of us don't have time to think about about the inhuman treatment of 3rd world country workers in the region. We look other way when we see them on the back of a truck transported like animals from one work place to another or we say they are better of here didn't you see their condition in their country? Because the system works for us. Because as a first officer in Europe or America we cannot afford to live in villas and have maids and gardeners. Didn't we all get a little more racist since we arrive here?

I had enough of this hypocrisy, if we cannot stand up for what's right then we are not good people.

point8four,

You did your revisions well, "dude". I said OM-A from 3 years ago.
In doubt, check Vol 6, Section 5.

LNB

Mmmmmmmmmm think things have changed since good ole Vol 6 days...:confused:

Gulf Air Selection Process
 

Hey all,

Anyone able to provide links to information regarding the Gulf Air Selection Process? ie. Is there information somewhere (like you find for Cathay Pacific) detailing the process and study materials etc

Thanks in advance
(I have tried advanced searches on pprune without much luck)

http://www.gulfaircareers.com/career...aspx?pageid=84

some info about the process...read the whole page..gulfairco.com also has a blurb about the history of GF ...not aware of any specific study guide for GF like the one for CX and others..good luck:ok:

Hey Thanks Ironbutt,

Do you have any info or links regarding practice for the psychometric tests?

Cheers

Katooie

No sure don't not too sure you can really "study" for those anyway...enjoy!!

hi do u know when the next abinitio intake is going to be held for the gulf nationals

Hi Guys,

I have stumbled across this post, and unfortunately I don't have time to give you a thorough rundown, I will in the near future since everything is still very fresh in my head. In a nutshell:

You arrive there, and depending on where you are coming from you might have a day or two off between arrival and the start of the selection process. Others aren't so lucky and start the very next day - so if you do, make sure you get to bed asap since you will right psycho tests and you need a fresh brain for that! Before I start, I have a lot of information on the GA selection, but due to lack of time I am not able to give all the gen, but just remind me - try and PM or something...

OT Test.

These involve four tests under the following categories: Numerical estimation; Verbal reasoning; spacial orientation, and IT test. They are pretty straight forward except for the spacial orientation - GOOD LUCK!!!! The bad news is, if you don't crack the Gulf Air profile standard you are out and will be sent home. If you pass, congrarts, you are through to the second round! After the OT tests you write a 50 question technical paper covering everything from (Radio Aids, Navigation, Tech and Gen, Human Factors etc - it's quite difficult I must admit)

Then, depending what your schedule is like, you will, during the course of the next few days, do the following:

Personal interview - about 1.25 hours long

Group Excersice - 40 minutes in total - 10 minutes to prep, and 30 minutes to come to a coclusion (more about this later).

Flight planning excercise - 1 hour (more about this later)

Sim ride, and then another short interview.


The guys conduct an awesome selcetion process, and you really get a good feel for what you are letting yourself in for - that is, you meet captains and FO's and everything else.

Sorry for the limited info, but I will post a thorough debrief later

Laters :ok:

Thanks Skytort
 

Hey,
Thanks for the info. Would be great if you could elaborate, be it on this thread or PM me.

Goodluck with your result

Cheers

Katooie

Why do you need this email address? All you have to do is APPLY through the website, if you can't figure that out then you might aswell forget it! I think a 6 year old could actually manage it!

It's quite simple.....if others can do it then I'm sure you can too....just remember if you can't find the website after this, then how are you going to make it through the selection. Look for the careers section on the Gulf Air website and you might hit the jackpot. No e-mail addresses required.......seek and ye shall find:D

Watch the space...

The next post will run through a spell checker to avoid typos like right = write :}

Cheers

Hey buddy boy.....if you need someone to hold your hand...well then what hope do you have???
If all of us interested in joining Gulf applied on line then why can't you? Bottom line this is what we are referring to.
By the way the psychos are tough at Gulf so don't go in there whinging about it and say you couldn't find the answer.
And before you slag me off again, I am happy to say that I made the selection so I must have done something right....childish or not!!!!
By the way...the reason that it is done online, so that the recruitment offices,are not bombarded with jokers trying to get an interview!!!! All done on a fair and square basis....like it should be!!!