Qatari

What about all the CRM and cockpit cultural difficulties we have been hearing about- from the inside?

Surely that is not conjusive to air safety.

Dear Qatari workers,

My condolences to you all for having to work under the
conditions you all indicate on this website.I hope this industry
turns around soon and you get a chance to obtain a position in a company you will enjoy working for.:(

Angels40,

Do you honestly think you could find happy people at QR, apart from those who suck up to AAB?

EMPLOYMENT
 

My dear colleagues, unemployed for 7 months and freshly rated on the A320(3 months ago) my main problem is first to get a new job, that is wy even after what has been said on QR, I am still really interested in joining it.

Ex Air Liberté F/O(lost my job during the massive 2001/2002 lay-offs), I am 31 years old and I have a JAA ATPL with 2500 hours, including 2100 airline jet hours(F28, MD82/83).

Despite the fact that I do not have any hour on the A320, do you think my case would be of an interest to your airline ?

If so can you guys provide me with the contacts of the right persons to reach ?

And last but not least, can you tell me how much it is paid monthly and yearly for a starting F/O overthere ?

Many thanks in advance to those of you willing to share their knowledge.

Check out Flight International magazine;)

Cheers

Tabs

Papyjo you will have all the info on Flight international website, they are even recruiting without qualification. No info on salaries.
Bonne chance.

Would anyone "on the inside" at QR actually know whether or not there is an age limit and whether or not it has a HARD or FLEXIBLE impact on hiring practices.

Their website implies an upper age limit at time of joining whist the Flight International age makes no mention of age.

What is the reality here?
:confused:

Papyjo,
if I may ask, how many pilots got the A320 type rating before Air Liberte's closure?
The number of hours you or somebody else have on the A320 is probably irrelevant. Some might even get right seat of the A330 if interested.
Good luck.

Hi Ready,

In fact we experienced two lay-off periods out there, the first one unfolded during late 2001/early 2002, leaving 235 pilots on the sidewalk(including myself) and the second which is happening at the moment since the company went bust, will slaughter another 350 flight deck crews.

As far as I know, we all have much more to worry about the belgium pilots who are actually getting the best out of that airbus market , rather than about my ex ail lib fellows. Around 25/30 A340 rated crews mostly going to air tahiti nui and air bourbon which will operate a daily CDG/RUN if they get money and signatures; added to this another 8 crews rated on the A320 and that is all with the airlib airbus guys.

Ready please tell me some more about these possible A330 right seats.

Cheers.

Papyjo,
If I remember it well, QR was advertising for A330 right seat positions for non-rated pilots as well. My point was, for somebody already type rated on the A320, as we all know the conversion would be shorter than the full initial course, and a less restrictive training bond (cheaper). For that, they would need a captain or FO in the same situation than yours to fill in the other seat.

Pure speculation here, but many options could be available depending on the response they get from the ad. All I'm trying to say here is that there would be pilots going on the A330 right seat, full initial or conversion, QR pilots or outsiders.
I hope that helps. Your game now.
Cheers!!

Can someone PLEASE PLEASE mention a few numbers so outsiders can make a decision as to whether to reply to the FI ad.

... reference to earlier post ... my acquaintance who attended the Aviation Club lunch in London tells me that much to his surprise Akbar did an OK job with his speech. Few too many "my airline"s when "our" would sound a little more modest. But apart from that not at all bad.

Qatar hiring
 

Hi guys,

I was in Qatar 1 month ago for assesment.
They surely need A320 crews F/O and Cpt but they never said they needed A330 pilots for this you have to start on 320 and wait for seniority.This was very clear,one month ago.
By the way they promissed us an answer within 15 days ,and 1 month later no news,for nobody....no reply to mails...
I fear they are standing-by in the bunkers to see the evolution in the gulf....

Regarding the hiring process:

Papayo.....you have a very very good chance being type rated...just give them some time and even call them whenever you can. Try to get in touch wit a pilot, maybe he/she can forward your resume

Payscale: all includedan FO takes home an average of 21000Qr and a captain 28000QR. This regardless of fleet, experience or seniority. Talks have been hoing on for 1.5years now about a payrise but so far nothing happend

A330 seats....NO WAY!! New hire pilots will start on the A300 or 320 fleetand will have to await there upgrades.

The only thing is that if you have a very strong french accent you might have a hard time getting in.....reason being that they do not understand frenglish and to be honest, I cant either! Some french pilots accent is just horrible
:yuk:

Agelimit.......nothing there to my knowledge

Hiring process, still going strong despite the war...

QR is still a very good opportunity as a pilot....just sit back , relax, stay out of politics, do your job and enjoy the ride....

Goldstone, would it be possible to say a bit more about AABs speach in the aviation club plse...

hope this helped

Regarding CRM......

the course is there, the instructors are very good but........in real life CRM still has a long way to go, especially in the relationship between cockpit and cabin! A lot of local pilots still feel that the forward call button needs to be pushed at least once every minute and this for the stupiest things...

Luckily for the FAs the expats do not have this habbit, isnt it girls???

What we do have is a very strict task allocation between PF and PNF (not capt/ copilot). QR is one of the most liberal and advanced companies regarding this subject. As a mather of fact they follow the airbus policy almost 100% hereby getting rid of a cockpit gradient. The PF has most of the decisions to make on his stretch and Capt only takes over as PNF in real emergencies.

So its safe to say that both pilots in front are equally capable of doing everything on board.

Also every pilot knows the SOP very well so there is no confusion possible. With 55 nationalities flying for QR everybody knows it very well that adherence to sops is the only safe way of flying overthere....

So for me this system works very well, sops and task allocation. In the meanwhile the CRM concept can grow.

But I can assure you, a lot of major carriers around the world focuss only on CRM and nothing on the rest and this results in a far far unsafer situation!

I prefer the way QR works much better.....

Qatari 515, Many thanks!

Hi Qatari 515,

Many thanks too for the tips and do not worry about my accent, it is as clear as you read me.

I really want to make the move and spontaneously come down there in Doha, with all my licence and stuff so that I may obtain an interview, what do you think ?

NA and Ready are also expected to reply. It would be very kind of them if they could also bring a little help, since I have no accurate representation of the situation in Doha, nor idea of what is expectable to get overthere at the moment.

And please if someone could give some decision makers' contacts it would be great and, if practicable no secretaries.;)

Many thanks in advance to those willing to share the efficient knowledge.:ok:

Cheers.

Qatari515

Thanks for the focus in your remarks.

What many folks miss is the fact that they are there to earn a living from their love of flying and not from their skills at running a major airline.

(Most pilots will tell you they can do a better job at running BA than Rod, when the simple truth is, a pilot is the last person you want running your airline)

Eventually, some folks, when they realize QR isn't the same as a British Airways or Qantas, nor is it run like a British Airways or Qantas, the mud-slinging and moaning starts.

The GOLDEN nugget in your post (in its simplicity) is, for anyone joining QR, to simply "enjoy the ride".

Well said mate. Well said indeed.

Willie
;)

OK, Qatari515, just got some more feedback on what AAB had to say at the lunch in London:

More aircraft orders to come. Fleet will double in 5-6 years. Talking to both Airbus and Boeing.

QR will not be profitable for the next 5-6 years. IPO after two years of consecutive profit.

Subsidiary company to take over the state owned hotels in Qatar.

Fleet utilization among the highest in the world.

Pleased Qatar withdrew from GF as opened up more traffic rights for QR.

Complained about lack of air services liberalisation in India and irresponsible pricing by his competitors.

QR wants to join an alliance.

38 destinations now, 50 by end of 2004.

Airline is overwhelmed with applicants for pilots and engineers as a result of bankrupcies and layoffs elsewhere in the industry.

Max fleet size 45 aircraft so AAB can keep control over product quality.

Apparently those were the main points.

Thanks a lot Goldstone,

unfortunately the statement about applications is not entirely true, otherwise I dont see the reason for hiring ab initio pilots right!

Off course managment needs to say that otherwise we could ask for a payrise....damn!;)

Qatari515,

Hiring ab-initio pilots is encouraged by the government under the Qatarisation master-plan and the targets are something like ~40 qataris per year both crew and engineers to be trained. Even though the plan mainly focuses on the hydrocarbon sector it is still encouraged and supported through the government and the Ministry of Education in other sectors such as aviation.

Recently the airline recieved a grant for training and QAC will be expanded and should soon have 2 intakes of students every year in order to increase training capacity.

Even if at some point in the future they have all the pilots they need, and still get a lot of foreigners applying the locals will still be hired. In the unlikely even that there are more Qatari Ab-initio graduates than there are positions to fill they will take the place of expat crew. That will probably not happen because there are not enough people in a country where even the Air Force hires expats to fly their aircraft! There will always be a need for expats to help keep the country running smoothly.