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eagleflight

28th April 2017 12:27

Two crew member cockpit rule is about to end...at LH Group

Lufthansa Group announced today that it will abolish the two crew member cockpit rule within the next days / weeks.

First airline to make a public statement: SWISS - see press release
https://www.swiss.com/corporate/EN/m...lease-20170428

Kobus Dune

28th April 2017 13:11

But cabin crew want this rule to remain in force, as it does allow them to show off at home.

Simple as that - how many figure that they have to monitor the pilot ? :rolleyes:

Monarch Man

28th April 2017 13:58

Very true Kobus, afterall, we all know those Lebanese/Egyptian/Syrian/Tunisian male grade 2s are the most politically reliable and above reproach. It makes you wonder though when you ask one what their primary role is and their genuine belief is that the fireaxe is an option to save the day, I even asked one what he'd do if I climbed our descended by disconnecting the A/P...his honest answer was that he would use his skills learnt in the army to wrestle me away from the controls, unbelievable.

shakealeg

28th April 2017 18:46

Sanity at last

InnocentBystander

28th April 2017 21:53

I'd love to see EK implement these requirements under the current conditions:

Quote:

SWISS also meets all the requirements demanded by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) of any airline seeking to abolish the rule:

ensuring suitable selection criteria and procedures to assess the psychological and safety-relevant demands made on pilots;
ensuring stable employment terms and conditions for cockpit personnel;
giving pilots (easy) access to any psychological or other support programmes they may need;
demonstrating an ability as a company to minimize the psychological and social risks to which pilots are exposed, such as loss of licence.

They'd have a hard time to even come close on just one of them...

ZFT	29th April 2017 06:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by tornspar (Post 9755384)

Scary when you consider a TCAS

Sorry, I just don't understand your comment.

wiggy

29th April 2017 07:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZFT (Post 9755795)

Sorry, I just don't understand your comment.

Sorry to butt in-the possible response to alerts such as TCAS was one objection to the two person rule at our outfit..i.e. the issue of what will a "monitoring" cabin crew member do if they hear a voice from the ceiling, see you disconnect the autopilot and start climbing or descending without warning them/telling them what you about to do and why.......

(Edit to add:I know the standard response is the CC are only there to open the door but sadly there's always been an issue with unofficial "mission creep", certainly at some airlines.)

ZFT	29th April 2017 07:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiggy (Post 9755806)

Ah - understood. Thanks.

glofish

29th April 2017 08:00

Quote:

I'd love to see EK implement these requirements under the current conditions:

SWISS also meets all the requirements demanded by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) of any airline seeking to abolish the rule:
ensuring suitable selection criteria and procedures to assess the psychological and safety-relevant demands made on pilots;
ensuring stable employment terms and conditions for cockpit personnel;
giving pilots (easy) access to any psychological or other support programmes they may need;
demonstrating an ability as a company to minimize the psychological and social risks to which pilots are exposed, such as loss of licence.

They'd have a hard time to even come close on just one of them...

Amen to that, and i am not trying to be sarcastic.

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