EX 380, you must be a good little EK soldier not to think the 330 rosters are completely unsustainable. I'm not on the Airbus? Hey, genius, read my post again.... I've been on the bus since day one. Fact.

PS I love my sidestick. :ok:

I am a type rated A330 f/o seriously considering EK, is it possible for me to request to be inducted on the 777 fleet , instead of a330.

You haven't been here that long perhaps...

The Bus used to do BNE, MEL, and hence the whole point; there is a lack of productivity on the fleet! Enough already, back to another recovery nap...

How do you put someone on the ignore list? It becomes a waste of space. I just skip over it but is there a way to have him just not show up?

Sorry A380-guy. You still come across as a bigger wank-job. Let me guess, while you were on the Gay-380, you were crowing to all your "mates" about "how great the lifestyle is" blah blah blah, wandering around the Dubai clubs with a button pinned to your lapel that says "Ask me why I'm SUPER!"...but then when you had to move back to the little bus to get a command, why, now, it's not that bad! Why not change your moniker to "Current A-330 driver", if life's so grand?

Funny how we all rationalize to ourselves. Pity it doesn't fool anyone else.

no i did not!

no i don't....:=

9 years...

you couldn't get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance....
(edward flaherty)

tz

Fatbus,
Top left- "User CP". The left column, half way down - "Edit Ignore list".
You can probably figure the rest out from there. Hope it helps

Grow up girls! Please!
Back to the original thread..........

I gotta love this thread...

Gotta love EK.

IH, thanks for that.

Best......Post......EVER!!!!!

A343 gone by Feb 2013 according to Airline Route and also wikipedia.

I heard 10 or 11 airframes combination A332/A343 to be phased out this financial year - 24 B777 and 11 A380 in, so net increase 24-25 frames.

Not sure about how the A388 problems will determine how fast/slow those frames are replaced.

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Sittingidly, you're yammering on this site in fragmented thoughts, slagging off just about everyone, making yourself look ridiculous. I would be curious to know your background - very lucky to be at EK I would imagine, but now complaining on how hard done by you are. Maybe you should go back to the asian cadet program you probably came from and be happy. Ciao.
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Not sure about that-lah but I would say most if not all the guys from an "Asian Cadet Program" are generally happy to be here.:E

...a very interesting thread, indeed.

Just saying, I spent a few years on the 330 and it was just getting worse every year. horrible back to back night turnarounds and almost no layovers at all. During my last 330 year I found myself complaining about everything, more or less hating my job, EK and the life Dubai (well by then I din't have a "life" in Dubai and the few off days I had were just for recovery). :yuk:

Last year I came over to the 380, and everyting changed. I enjoy flying again, love the 380 and actually enjoy life in Duabi... :ok:
I have quite a few pals that still fighting on the 330, and I see their rosters every now and then, so my point is:

Anyone (no names...) that says that they are quite happy on the 330 must be HIGH on drugs! :eek: Whatever it is your're on, seriously, share it with your fellow 330-pilots...

:E

Funny Ben, that's exactly how I felt as a PAX on EK162 from DUB on 30-31st Mar 12.

Ben C, your feeling were well justified and systemic throughout the fleet.

Ex 380, searching and posting others previous posts? Single perhaps? The company loves your newbe ignorance and appreciates that it's always legal with the labour camp schedule on the Airbus. It's the most widespread and obvious !!!!storm disaster in the company; are you living in a cave, or just a lonely lurking ppruner? just give it more time, you'll come around….

ex 380 is crying because he went back to the 330, he should have waited like the smart FO's

Sittingidly, lighten up and you might - just might - get the humour in the earlier typing remark.....did it really go that far over your head?!!

Also, my good friend, how can you condone your response to a perceived racist remark with another - perhaps more so - racist remark whereby you went so far as to name not just a race but a specific country. This is showing your true colours. Don't call the racist card if you hold such prejudices yourself.......and, for the record, this is said to you without prejudice on my part! (despite being a Brit)

Sittingidly,

Sober up and read my posts again for goodness sakes. In this thread, I agree with your assertions. Any sane rational human being knows the airbus schedules are brutal and the schedules are appalling. No Sh&t ! Ask one of the doc's next time your in the clinic. The company knows it too, but heads are in the sand...it's legal :ugh:

Ex 380 is a newbe pest and getting in your head; time for a sabbatical. Enjoy some time away from the slag off.

Good news for the shortbus drivers. Jeddah is getting an additional four A330 flights per week. EK801 will depart Dubai at 01:55hrs arriving in Jeddah at 03:40hrs. The return journey from Jeddah, EK802 will depart at 05:15hrs arriving in Dubai at 08:55hrs.

Yep, 4 more middle east turns in the middle of the night for the 330. Sure am glad I’m not stuck on the 777 flying all over the world, laying over in exotic destinations. This is much better. Yeah, the 330 is great.

For your info SI, Ex A380 guy is actually an Aussie...... Think about that next time you slag off Brits you racist pr1ck!!!!:E

By the way Ex380, we were both right on the A330 upgrade failure rate. It was 6 of 8 in the last group, 8 of 8 failed in the group before. Another year in the right seat doing night turns to Jeddah will surely get those 14 guys squared away. Them and the ones that fail this month. And all the others who never even made it through the upgrade interview or psych eval. (Yes, the 777 upgrade success rate is better)

And it’s 1 white 330 parked over by the maintenance hangar waiting to go, not 2. So we were both wrong on that one. Looks like EAL. Only 2 other A330s have left, to China last year. No others slated to go this year. Still leaves better than 30 of them hanging around to stink up our rosters for a long, long time to come.

If the 330 is really so bad, how come you don't leave EK ? I'll start my 330 training next month. I hoped for 777 but i'm still very proud to join one of the best airlines in the world. Yeah the 777 has better routes etc., but life isn't fairytale. Someone gets the short stick, that's life.

Check your grouptoday of May 2nd...

If the upgrade fail rate is that dismal somebody in hire department or training needs to be looked at. Shouldn't be hiring that many folks who cant upgrade. Or the training folks need to be replaced because the program is so poor. Don't the management people say anything about the cost and loss of man hours. At most airlines there is a huge issue when people get off the training foot print.

Just have to look at the candidates, place the blame on them and not the training dept.

Training Dept? What training Dept? Surely you mean the checking Dept! The lack of training in EK is legend. Stop making excuses.

Well then guess its HR and pilot hiring folks. No reason to bring somebody into the airline you are not 98% you can upgrade.

Sure, I’ll just call up my old airline and ask them to give me back the years of seniority I gave up to come to Emirates. Think man.

You reap what you saw.

If you hire experience, common sense and airmenship, but then beat it out of each and every candidate with the too-narrow-minded-sop-stick during the 5 fo years, then you get the above result on upgrade.

I take it as a direct insult if presumed not helping upgrade-fo's!!
You just can't expect the line captains to promote the crap procedures they had to emulate to pass their upgrade.

Experience and airmenship eventually returns when left alone to operate with one's own common sense.

amen

tz

Glofish if anyone allows their experience to be lost, their common sense and airmanship to be taken then I would have to question their suitability not just for the left seat but to remain in the right one as well.....

There is a lot of help available for people coming up for their upgrades on the line, they only have to ask. I've never, ever, been asked by a candidate coming up for upgrade if they can do the cabin crew brief or fill in the tech log for example. They are small things but if you can do the normal stuff without having to think about it too much you have more spare capacity to deal with the unusual.

Similarly, it is very rare to be asked "What would you do if.....". I'm not a trainer so I wouldn't pretend to have all the answers but I think most Captains would be happy to have a chat if asked.:ok:

Sorry to bust your rumours...

Upgrade failures are close to industry standard. Last 12 months just above 10% on the 777 and just over 5% on the 330! Yes, quit a few not unexpectedly failed in the last 330 courses but NOT 8 out of 8. The best BS I've read on PPRuNe for a while.

Check your facts guys before writing!

No matter what fleet you join you will end up working hard and having average rosters, it will just be the time frame in which it happens that differs.
Airbus FOs aren't working too hard now, but mini Bus Captains are having cr@p rosters. This is true.
Boeing fellas are having reasonable rosters now. But everything comes with a price right?
Consider:

1. Tcas explained after the last 777 order that we had almost 100 777s then (we have that now right?), and that after older aircraft are sent back to leasors, with the new deliveries EK would have a fleet of 160 777s by 2022. So overall growth of 60%, not bad at all, unless of course you are a new joiner on it, as that's not enough for a seat change is it. At 10 crews per aeroplane 600 of the 900+ 777 FOs on the list now are good for command. People will leave and retire and that will increase the number of new commanders required, but we are also taking DECs as well.

2. There are now 26 x 330s, 8 x 343s, 10 x 345, 22 x380. 500ish FOs. Taking the 380 commands only (forgetting about the 25 350 firm and 25 options), 260 new commands will be needed by 2019 (last 380 delivery year). The bottom 200 Bus FOs on the list now would need the A350 order to happen to upgrade. Nothing has been said officially that this is not going to happen.

3. We were also told that as of 2022 the fleet would total 270ish (capacity at DXB restricted they say). We have 170ish now. So since we are going to have 160 x 777, and 90 x 380 it would seem that the order for the 25 x 350 may still be a goer, or as the rumour goes they may be canceled and replaced by 777s (no one on this forum knows). With this fleet mix, what will be doing the nasty turns, and what will be doing the trunk routes? The Boeing pilot will argue the 777 will still be the fleet to be on, as will the 380 pilot. They both have vested interest to do so. But only time will tell for sure.

No one can pick the future here. But it does seem to turn in round abouts. At some time something will happen that disadvantages you. The command criteria changes very often, and rarely for the better. Seniority means nothing. If your fleet no longer requires new captains, you will be by passed by more junior FOs from another fleet. But going by present orders, new joiners would need to plan on being FOs for a long time.

Glofish, I would think that if someone has experience, airmanship and commonsense, they will not have any problem with the upgrade course. EK has plenty of Captains that finished the course successfully, this would seem to prove the point.

The Don

PS. I have no clue what the future holds for Bus or Boeing pilots. Nor does anyone else who argues otherwise. But new joiners need to consider would they still come to EK if command was to take a long time. Several FOs on the 380 have been shafted and will now not be eligible for command until 8yrs in the company after the last command criteria change. FOs too junior to be 380 FOs at the time these guys were sent (they did not volunteer) to the 380 are doing 330 commands now.
Beware of Big Shiny Jet Syndrome. It tends to cloud the judgement.

Concerning the upgrade failures there is a lot of smog on the numbers.
Listening to the guys coming back with a failure does not uphold the official numbers (by management dudes on this forum), although their view is slightly impaired by their fate, I agree.
Nevertheless the stories are mainly backed up by fo's who did assists in the sim.

Concerning the rosters on the 330, anyone accepting a course on the 330 must be desperate. The truth lies in the rosters of the 330.
Just go on the portal and see for yourself.


Don
I do share your outlook and to a certain degree your comment:

But then I read the weekly reports .....
Either there is a problem in recruiting, or the beating out of airmenship is very successful!
It is appalling at times.

I know what you mean by the reports Glofish. I believe that they are thinking of issuing gloves with "left" and "right" marked on them to add the Boeing pilots with arrivals to their home base. :} At least the outcome seems to different from the famous MAN incident.

The Don

nights out
 

Question to any EK 330 pilot.
I´m going to apply in the next future but i´d would like to know how many nights you have to spend outside home (Dubai) every month. I have a kid who need special care and it is important for me. Thanks

To the Don, I know what you mean....missus smiffy used to wear knickers with C&A in them.....(until C&A went bust in the UK)