It is mind boggling having to read such stupid arguments every second day on PP. As if people having a job are not allowed to complain at all, because others have none. Very well orchestrated by tyrants and demagogues and numbly followed by morons.
According to your logic Aung San Suu Kyi is not allowed to complain about the house arrest and dismal human rights in Myanmar, because she has a house and millions others don't, so she should just shut up or leave! She can't, just as many others can't simply leave a place or a company.
It is therefore a basic right to complain about bad conditions or if they change to worse. You can always argue about the validity, but stating that one should either shut up or leave is fundamentally wrong, inherently fatalistic, plain stupid and simply playing into the hands of the oppressors.

Primeco, that's the attitude that allows employers to treat their people like crap. They count on people like you who are afflicted with BSJ Syndrome and will fly their airplanes regardless of the conditions. We all love to fly, but we do this as a PROFESSION not a damn hobby. If you love to fly, that's awesome, go rent a 172 for the weekend. If you want to fly for a living, you need to adjust your "I'll fly for anything" attitude and recognize when an employer is giving you a raw deal and demand to be treated as a highly trained professional. Otherwise, do the rest of us a favor and stick to plane spotting off the end of the runway.

p.s. for those who don't know, BSJ Syndrome is Big Shiny Jet Syndrome. It is a congenital defect in some pilots that subjects them to an irrational sense of wonder at amazing flying machines and makes them particularly susceptible to repeated ass reamings from management.

The last thing that EK needs is guys with "BSJ" syndrome. It is a poison to our proffesion. Primeco should look into a management position if that's not where he's at already.

Look, seen many guys, especially in the last couple years, who have come from regionals with a wicked case of BSJ. Funny talking to them now. A much different attitude. EK has a steep learning curve in many ways.

I had a mate who was a recruiting officer for the Air Force many years ago and he told me something I've always remembered - and found on many occasions to be true. "No matter what you tell them, people looking for as job will hear only what they want to hear."

He saw a succession of people walk into the recruiting office and join up, only to bitch and complain within six months about the very points he told them would be part and parcel of life in the military. primeco is a classic example of this. Whether he's suffering BSJ syndome of just feels that life in the Sandpit will be an exciting change, at this stage, he only hears what he wants to hear.

Only time will tell if the blinkers will be shed. primeco, I know I'll never change your mind, but take a look at all the posts from a relatively new EK pilot who uses the handle A380-800 driver. A year ago, all was sweetness and light and EK could do no wrong. His last few posts tell a rather different story.

PPPS ... and the side-stick was never connected ...

Please get a bit of perspective - I hardly think that the lack of human rights in a military dictatorship is comparable to leaving a job you dont like. :rolleyes:

Cody, you have stated several times (with great authority I might add) that many people are leaving nay fleeing EK.

Just had a looksee at the seniority list and cannot come to the same conclusion, please back up your statement with fact or don't bother stating!

And yes I have heard the RUMOUR that a small handful of US F/O's didn't come back from holiday, but still don't have names nor can I see any evidence....

I totally agree
:D

And do you really think the company is all that concerned if that handful dont come back.

The fact that just a "handfull" (5?) bailed out is telling. Not many companies have employees doing that!

But do you really think EK cares.They actually would prefer to have some FO's leave, the ones that are giving them alot a grieve right now, you know the ones, the ones that were PROMISED this and that.

As long as you keep the bitching here and not the aircraft then bitch all you want, but please don't bring it to work its getting boring. Last rumour I heard was 80 Fo's quiting , so let them!

Did a flt the other day with someone that did not complain and it was so nice, actually fun.

Hey Cody,


I have been furloughed for 8 months and can not find anything in the aviation world. Seeing that you hate your company that much and it is so bad were you are why don't you let me have your spot. Even if it is true that you live from paycheck to paycheck you are flying, you are building experience en you should be getting a better pilot by doing so.

Just my two cents

you can have my spot..all yours mate, though they've probably already given it to someone else. And fyi if you're qualified for it there are several other outfits that are hiring right now, ek is not the only game in town.

I was called for a Interview today despite the fact that I was already in the Hiring pool. The recruiter said the company is gonna re interview all the poolies. Then they told me that since im at QR I cant interview all in the same call. I thought the indians were disorganized. Before I interviewed at QR I interviewed at EK, since all EK offered was a promise, I took the QR job and Imformed EK that I would be going and they said it would not affect my status. Today they changed their mind. God bless them.

Tbaylx, if it's not a secret, where are you off to?

402, just so you are in no doubt, Cody isn't or damned well shouldn't be living from pay check to pay check.

He has already stated that he is a Captain and therefore on an average month should earn around $11,000 usd, and if he is living in company accom, then that is included in the package as is medical and 90% of school fees.

Yes Dubai is expensive, but if you can't survive on that, then you've seriously cocked up your personal finances!!

I believe he was referring to F/O's with kids living from month to month, but even then if you don't need to send money home and save heaps, you can have a pretty decent lifestyle on $6000 usd per month with the same benefits!

Hope this helps...

Just love hearing the DEC's complain....cruel injustice to others. Been here a couple years and talk the big talk :rolleyes: Lucky to have the opportunity I'd say. Zip it

Hiring DECs or not?

It sure looks like that. They said I had to resign before reinterviewing, or Reinterview because the first selection wasnt good enough I guess

Hi!

I would like to hear opinions on EK vs. Qatar.

The Qatar posts sound about the same...high negativity level... as EK's, but then manay Qatar posters say EK is light years better than Qatar. Does not make sense.

I had applied at EK, but now do not meet the minimums, as I only have about 400 hours on a plane that is big enough.

I will probably soon be based in DBX flying a DC-9.

cliff
NBO