As has been pointed out, the management in flight ops are American. And all things stateside are dictated by seniority. So as a new joiner to this wonderful company you will have a 3 year 24k bond hanging over your head and have to sit at the bottom of the seniority ladder enduring crappy rosters. But if you don't like it you can leave and pay off the bond ;)

My PBS roster was very average to say the least, certainly not good enough to stop me looking around.

Hi guys;

First of all I´d like to thank you all for all the information written, it has been very useful for me. Last month I´ve passed my FZ final interview and now I have a DOJ for the beginning of next year.

Now I´m looking for an adequate place to live in Dubai. I´m concerned about the apartment prices, I´ve been checking dubizzle and I´ve seen it´s difficult to find a european standard apartment for less than 2000€/month.

Taking into account that I´ll have to go to the airport maybe 15-18? days per month, I´d prefer to live near the airport than in Marina (for instance). Any recommendation? I´ll go with my wife and we have no kids.

All responses appreciated.

Look into Mirdiff. It's 15 mins from the airport (no SALIK toll). Prices are much cheaper than elsewhere. Lots of airline/airport folks live there.

Well I've been here over three years and have endured !!!!ty rosters for most of it.

5 days on, 2 days off...... the 5 days being mixed days and nights. Single days off, finishing on nights and starting on early flights two days later. 12 night flights in a month, alternating duties, rest periods between 18-30 hours..... the list goes on.

I've had to wait a long time to be able to 'bid' for something reasonable with regards to rosters and it may make the difference between staying here or leaving. Those guys low down on the seniority aren't getting anything worse than most of us have endured for a few years now. Welcome to Flydubai folks.

Just one more point to consider;people on this forum have been openly venting their frustrations over rostering here at FZ for a few years. Go back through this thread and all the info is there for anyone to read. If you have been aware of this issue and have still made the decision to join FZ then there really can be no complaints. The rosters at FZ have been bad for ages and PBS hasn't made it any worse, just improved it for a few.

Thanks NG! :ok:

Place your bets!
 

Set your PBS woes aside boys and girls! With 10 days left to go to the opening of the Dubai airshow, surely it must be time to place your bets on what the future of FZ will look like on the other side of it.

With Emirates rumoured to be ordering 100 odd of the new 777's, whatever FZ will get up to is unlikely to be small. 737max's? 320 NEO's? That's been the story for well over a year now. Or will they tackle the competition and stretch their sandy legs a bit further with some widebodys?

What do y'all reckon? Place your bets now! (Sadly there won't be any prizes for the most accurate guess. All the prize money has gone on topping up the housing allowance...)

Ok, I like a good bet.
-50 A320NEO + 20 options
-21 A321NEO + 10 options

No widebody I'm afraid.

I bet it's an order for Dash 8s. Why else would they recruit so many T/P pilots from Europe's largest regional (loss making) airline? Probably get the flying trash cans for a song too. :E

Ok, my predictions then:

I think the range of the new NEOs or MAX will both be pretty similar and should give them the legs to reach into Europe, China, s.e. Asia & more of Africa, so I (sadly) think that there'll be no widebody's too.

I think the 320/321 combo would give them lots of flexibility with routes and loads and would be a great move.

But I also think the cost of bringing in a 2nd fleet and crewing it too would be high and detract from the streamlined simple business, and what with senior management coming from the Good Ol' USofA...

40 737 MAX 8's + 20 options is my guess. Possibly some 9's too.

All neo in 3 years..

All NEO plus 10 A330s transferred from EK for leisure routes like Male and Mauritius.

Lets just say that they get a different airframe; what would the transition/recruitment be like for that airframe? Would they allow guys to bid over or just recruit for the new airframe? Just a hypothetical.

10B787+10options

Either a bunch of 737-800 & -900s Maxs, 50 plus 50 options, tied in with the EK 777 order (it's being paid for from the same purse of course).

Or, a bunch of 320/321s, re-jigging the EK A350 deal with a few more 380s for EK, as I suspect those 350s won't turn up. Either way a strong bargaining position for a good deal on aircraft.

I've just read that FD opened their cadet programme for Emirati nationals only.

As eluded to above, for MEIR holders with MCC who match the age, nationality and flying hours limits, this might be worth a punt:

Cadet Program - Emirati Nationals-Latest Pilot Jobs-Latest Pilot Jobs

Can anybody discuss more in detail the average schedules. I have heard you can expect about 9 days off per month. How many other days like standby reserve or other duty do you average per month? How many actual trips do you average per month and how many hours do you average per day? How many days do you fly on average more than 2 sectors per day? Just trying to get a feel for the lifestyle.

WY,

You need to come back in a few months and ask that question again. The company just introduced PBS bidding with the November schedules. It "appears" that the days off have gone up from 8 or 9 to about 11 or 12. Standbys have increased from 1 or 2, to 3 or 4. Most rosters are being built around 70-80 hours if you have no vacation. Again, this is just an average. Some people are not happy with the first round of PBS and are raising holy hell over it failing to realize this was just the first month. As for trips per month it could be as few as 9 if doing long flights or as many as 18 if you are flying to Doha everyday! Flights per day vary from 1 to 4. Usually the 4 leg days are local flights around the GCC area, but can have long duty hours reaching 12 hours but only block 4 hours flight pay. Hope that helps.

Hi guys,

thanks for all the info once again. I've passed all selection with CTC + FZ interview and waiting for reply from FZ HR department.

How long does it average take between passing your last tests and getting info from HR department about a start date?

Anyone have any news about FZ contacting your references?

Thanks in advance.

To all wannabes I would suggest to take the time and read the thread from the beginning and stop asking questions on every aspect of the selection process.
All answers are there, just do your homework!
The new aircraft order would also consist of ATR 42 so that the vast majority of the new recruits would be heavily experienced, thus substantially contributing to the overall pilot experience that this airline desperately needs for all those challenging destinations. :E

Aircraft
 

It's quite funny to read the speculation on an aircraft order just a week prior to the announcement. ATR 42 considering the business class, though....come on guys! 737 max when they can't deliver for over 18 months unless FD are sending crews to self build? Old EK 330's......oh dear! 787s at 3.5 times the price of our 737-800s...... The hint is in the CARGO!

Anyone else doing the CTC interview in the UK on the 20th that wants a ride from Heathrow PM me and see if our schedules match up.

Yeah, the 73 is really difficult to fly :ugh: But it is quite funny to see experienced Fo's and Capt's twitch in their seats when they always have to program the FMS first no matter the situation. Because the aircraft will of course stop flying otherwise:bored:

I didn't make the CTC interview about 7 months ago and was advised to try again after 6 months but I am unable to do so as it says previous and now inactive application.can anyone advise what needs to be done?i wrote to the email ID given below but no reply.

New website??
 

Very strange... Do you know if CTC is still doing the selection for Flydubai? No mention to them in the new flydubai website, no link to flydubai-ctcaviation application as before, and no recognition of my entry email/password when entering in the new website "search vacancies" neither...¿? Any update about that?

Same here!
And when you go to the new website and apply for a pilot position the application process doesn't seem to be the same: they ask you for a résumé,and to upload a photo ID,etc...I had none of that in the previous application. I wonder if we have to start a new application?
But I still can access my application through the ctc address in my browser,it still says that I passed the screening,but there's still no available date for an interview...

Every "Apply to be a FlyDubai pilot" button on the FD website sends me to CTC, so not sure why you can't find it.
Back to navclass guys! :)

Well I hope so since I leave Monday to interview for Flydubai at the CTC site in Southampton.

Holy crappers, some serious reductions during the runway closure next year. 16 destinations temporarily cancelled and a 47% seat capacity reduction. I really thought all would be shifted over to DWC but not at this stage...

Link

High Energy: Holy crappers indeed... and, if it is correct, one would imagine that such a significant reduction in the flying program could particularly impact those (flight & cabin crew) for whom flight-duty-pay forms a significant percentage of their overall take-home pay?! :uhoh:

Very true OKC, plus presumably we can kiss goodbye to any bonus/profit share!!:{

Runway closure
 

Profit share will be April (subject to distortion!) so it will be before runway closure....

The media is reporting 75 max as the order, so much for range improvement and cargo increase?

Fly Dubai set to order 75 B-737 MAX

$100-B Boeing order bonanza to dominate Dubai show | Economy | GMA News Online

And why cancel many destinations with only one flight a day or less? You would think they'd keep some traffic flowing as some are still quite 'fragile' destinations.
Look at Yekaterinaburg, Air Arabia serves SVX too and will now get all those pax as there is no other choise to get to UAE/DXB/SHJ. Furthermore Transaero will be starting a big 'Russia to DXB' expansion including from some of our destinations.

On the other hand looking at the pattern of destinations it looks like they still have an option of moving flights to DWC as they are 'onwards' connecting pax like Kazan to Male/Colombo.

And there goes the Airbus dream...:{

Tangmo: Wrt "Why not ops out of DWC?"

It's not that the airports are especially distant from one another, but the logistics are immense!

You'd have passengers whom are ticketed for flights out of 'Dubai' (and when they think 'Dubai', they're thinking 'DXB' and not 'DWC'... in fact bugger-all people are even aware that DWC exists, never mind where it is?!!), and you can be sure that they'd accordingly turn up at DXB and they'd then need transporting down to DWC... and then there are those passengers whom are connecting between FZ & EK (& other airlines) and vice versa (how would we deal with them?). And that there are bugger-all connecting flights out of DWC. And that there is still, as yet, a very limited transport infrastructure to / from DWC, and that simply getting to DWC is expensive in itself (e.g. in terms of a taxi fare from down-town Dubai or from DXB), and that the metro doesn't reach there (yet).

And if FZ were to start transporting pax to / from DWC, there's increase in road transport, e.g. 1x full B737-800 would probably require 3x coaches just for the passengers and also a good sized delivery van (and / or lorry) for all their baggage... just do the math on how many vehicles that would require and the direct cost of procuring & running that transport (and the indirect costs associated with road congestion and / or traffic jams, and all the effects thereof) ?!

And what of managing crews, and / or the engineering support, etc, etc, and / or the inevitable chaos that would occur (to all of the above) during the transition period between the transferring of flights / ops from DXB to DWC, and then back again some weeks later, and the list goes on and on, and all of that for a supposed period of maybe +11 weeks ?!

That all said, it's just occurred to me (hence the edit) that, wrt the dates announced for the runway's maintenance (1st May - 20th July):

• The workers mid-day-break period starts on 15th June (lasting thru until 15th September), and during which employers must not make staff to work outside between 12.30pm and 3pm.
• The last 3 weeks & 2 days of the planned maintenance work will be during Ramadan;

... uhm, wanna take bets when it's actually gonna be finished ?!

To add to OKC's post, no foreseeable move to DWC.
Link.

CTC x New Website
 

Does anybody know anything more about the new Website, that does not show the old application process by CTC, and our application data via application number?
I've passed in all CTC process (interview, Simulator, etc), and recieved an email with the approval confirmation. I should to wait to the Flydubai contact "in the near future", but one month has passed, and nothing until now.
As I'm NTR, I know that I should expect to start only in the next semester, but the lack of information, and this new website without CTC and our data, make me a little worried.
The TR guys that did the interview in the same day are already at Dubai for start their training. They went to there in the last week.

Worried about new website too
 

The new flydubai website doesn't show evidence of been linked to CTC as some weeks ago. Should I register as new on the new one? Answering the advice of another guy in this forum that stated..."all the pilot application in the new FD website takes me to CTC link...":i am afraid this is not correct, I still cant find relation between the new FD web and CTC...

http://flydubai.ctcaviation.com

Twilights dialogue...
 

That is the point...flydubai.ctcaviation.com is the old website linked to CTC. I am talking about this: www.flydubai.com;)