I am absolutly sick to death of seeing all the rubbish written in this topic.

The ONLY reason Australians ( or Brits or Yanks or Kiwis ) are working in EK, GA, CX, KA, KE, SQ etc etc etc etc is because those Airlines CANNOT find enough locals to FILL the seats. END OF STORY FULL BLOODY STOP.

As soon as CX figure out a way to get enough locals ( a believe me Mr Chen tried damn hard ) to fill my seat I'LL BE GONE.

As an Australian I CANNOT work in the EU or the U.S. unless I have already have a visa. I CANNOT get SPONSORED by ANY employer as they cannot prove to their immigration department they need me. ( they don't, there is enough Locals to fill the positions )

All of the Australians working in the UK ( for eg ) since 1989 had right of abode or passport through family BEFORE they got their jobs and they were NOT sponsored by their employer.
Let me say that again............WERE NOT SPONSORED BY THEIR EMPLOYER


So stop all the anti-Australian BS being written here ok?

There are plenty of young qualified Australians IN Australia that can fill any Pilot seats. So the Australian Airlines DO NOT need to look overseas.
IF there were no Australians available then I would have NO objection to 457 Visa's being granted.

The AFAP was perfectly justified and correct in asking the question in the middle East forum.

I have a Australian friend with no family ties or right of abode in the UK who was sponsered by his employer, Dan Air, in the late 80's.

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WELL said ACMS!!!!! The most sensible thing I have read here for some time .
And Woodja, some people would give their left test1cle to go home, wherever that may be for them. Maybe the Poms don't want to but then you can't really blame them can you.
I'm HOME and won't leave again for a million dollars, you can have your 14 weeks pay mate, I just came home from the footy a while ago, maybe go bush tomorrow for a bit, oh whatever, aaaaahhhhhh, enjoy the sand there , I'll think of you. Everyone to their own hey

Here here ACMS, and thats from a non Aussie!

Now, how many more posts before some d!ckhe@d pipes up and says "plenty of Ocker's come here and take jobs".

ACMS Is Spot On
 

ACMS is right on the money.!! On ya...

jones:ok:

MSN:

What was the situation at the time in the UK? Dan Air should have been required to prove to the UK Immigration dept that they could not find a local to fill the seat. Maybe there were some backdoor deals taking place with the Govt of the time? maybe it shouldn't have happened?
I know several friends that worked in the UK after 89, they all had right of abode before they left. I looked at going too but couldn't.

Try getting a work Visa now, it's impossible. ( and rightly so )

This is exactly my point, the Australian Govt is allowing the Airline Managers to bring in foreign labour to fill the seats Autralians could and would fill. ( Some back door deals taking place ) There is no shortage of Australian Pilot's willing to work, only a shortage of Australian Pilot's willing to work for Peanuts

One thing is for sure there is no pilots leaving Jetstar to go to SQ, EK , CX but there is quite a few leaving those airlines to go to Jetstar.
There is more bitching in the middle east forum than anywhere else on PPrune , i think guys are trying to justify there existence in the !!!!hole the middle east is , and its really not for that much extra cash. A big sacrifice if you ask me. So much so I rang Jetstar and have an interview in June good riddens to the sandpit....................

Ah, Rabbit,

As is your great gift when contributing to these forums, you are, once again, totaly and completely wrong!!

Hope you're happy, in your new life, but why do you need to keep justifying it to yourself?

Whilst I think the Rabbit has finally freaked out, long term he may just be making the right move. Otherwise how the hell do i get out of this place!!!!

I left a while back to go home and it was the best decision i made. I talk regularly with friends in the pit and it sounds worse all the time the last screw up is the six day rule. I feel bad for the commuters. I earn more after tax than an EK junior Captain. I dont have a free house but mine is nearly paidoff . I see no reason to stay in the sandpit.
Can anybody give me a reason why it is better to live in the sandpit than Australia, because I cannot think of 1.

Wizofoz, i have a good friend down in Jetstar, in the last 5 months they have had join them 3 from CX ( 2 330/340 guys and 1 747 ) 2 from EK ( 1 330 Capt and 1 777 Capt ) several from Dragon and several 340 fos from SAA.

I think those that bitch the most are just money hungry, the guys that have left and are leaving are doing so for over all QOL. The sand pit is not home. I know of one guy going to VA for the simple reason its home and not the pit, the money will pay the bills and he will be happier.

People get very angry here, I dont hear anger from home

Bombay,

No dispute and there will be more.My point was it's two-way traffic. Several from VB, QF mainline and J* (both Aus and Asia) have come to EK, and more are on the wqay.

fatbus,

Have you ever READ Dunnunda & Godzone???

Several from Dragonair? Of about 10 that went to investigate by way of an interview I know of 2 that have since joined. Given the general intent of most AU nationals to return at some stage surely that is indicative of something is it not? I would suggest that the average experience level and background of those recently employed by Jetstar (not including those returning from O/S employment) would contribute to the lack of significant traffic from there. Perhaps things will change as experience builds and frustration levels down there reach an higher orbit. Swings and roundabouts... horses for courses... call it what you will but aviation at home or abroad both come with serious compromises nowdays.

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Hey Muttley, I don't need therapy mate, got HOME before I needed it. As far as looking at Prune, just cos I live in good ole Aus, doesn't mean that I have to forget about the rest of the planet, besides I like to see comments from lots of unbalanced humans , good for a laugh :0)))

Jet* is primarily targeting Australians abroad who have made their money and are now ready and willing to come back home. Some have made their fortunes and will happily do just that. Other's who have just started out may stay put.

Wiz the recent total form EK to Jetstar is 4. 2 capts from Airbus and 2 from 777.

A320 of course

Wizofoz and friends, I think you have been away earning money in another mans country for some time. LCC have drained REX to the edge. REX is now leading the way by training it's own pilots from abinitio. But yes of course Australia is a country that trains sufficient pilots?? Inspite the nervous applause given your rants, the basis of argument is still hollow like a didgeridoo.

Pot calling the kettle Black.
 

What a great thread - all you Ozzzzzzzzmates crack me up.:}:E;)