hi

what is the latest news about 767, are they coming back by end of next wek, they told us by end of this week and now next week let see.

why GT did not go DUB , i saw GI/ 2 other gulf treveller on ground since 27th why .

fos 767 told me that fleet office sent them e-mail to go leave or force leave.... why ... reason.... they are SBY and they know they are not going to fly..

CP 767 he did not even write an e-mail to his crew about the fleet and update them...

Tech. pilot 767 he is useless, in the office because he can not even take a decsion why . he is their for what , even when he update SOP he is making mistakes . but i saw him he is a good guy , the office made him useless.

VPO , looking for HOFO and HOFST why ... he did not bother him self to write about the company progress after grounding 767. well other organization grounded this 767 nopy GF.

GF management they can not make a decision on a huge task, like 767 been grounded , our pax are unhappy with all this ,

i was talking with Fo on 767 who was trying to apply for flet transfer but he told me it is too late but now he is telling me only 4 will go,...
CP767 he was away from the office for almost 5 working days . why and when he came he is working to give people leave what a management

CP767 enjoy giving pilots leave .such a useless manager

Mr. P.M. you did the right decision to leave this place specially wing A.
good luck mate.

767 will be back but for how long and if they know the A/C is really going to be replaced why they do not make a decision

I was surprised when DC (The southern Irish one, not the Scottish one)popped into a mates house for a cuppa last week. When asked why he was in Bahrain he was cagey and mentioned something about F1 testing, but I wonder if he was here for an interview!!! Time will tell, would be really great to have him back though!

On On

:D

I see the first 76 has taken to the air this morning ex Bah

to KTM and back GY

Mind you when it gets back to Bah it doesn't show as doing anything

wonder why ??

S.L.

I doubt DC was out for an interview, not travelling out on the one FOC ticket entitled to as a retired/former employee. Even GF don't stoop that low. Or do they?

I hear GJ will be back into service very soon also, perhaps as early as later on this evening, with another two 767's to come on line "very soon."

this is a good news ,
i saw one of them doing KTM . hope to see all of 767 in service . i thing 3 to 5 A/C will be in service by end of this month

Well "CG11" it's always more productive to offer solutions along with your criticism...I feel the best was made of a difficult situation by all...why dont you step up to the plate and offer your "management expertise" to the fleet office?

ironbutt57

if you are part of GF then you know that management always looking into a pilots in their personal point of view.

if i go to the office or other pilot and give them an opininon they will consider him an enemy . why they do not have an open door policy they always write am i right . they will distroy his future .

lets talk logic,

1)
if they want to give pilots leave and they say 3 or 5 A/C will be back then why you want to give them leave or force leave .
2)
where is 767 progress memop to the pilots from 767 office
3)

why top management they do not talk to the pilots and ops staff about the problem well you know if they write a proper memo and telling facts you will not see all this rumours , well if the you go and see the first day when they grounded the 767 you will see the rumours was not that much as today .

then it is GF management to send memo and telling facts,

when you see so many pilots leaving , they have to look into this problem
they have to look into cabin crew why they leave , if you have a management skills you will see the numbers are big.

not cost cutting with printing paper,
how to reduce # resignation ,

OK, enough ironbutt57, back to work! :}

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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOhhh PJ whip me beat me, make me write bad checks..:}

Uuuuhhh. :uhoh: That wasn't actually a picture of me. . . . :( Maybe of your R1, but not me. :oh:

To the gang still at GF...glad to read that at least one of your old birds is up flying again. Good luck to all of you there.

Look, people, Gulf Air was a great place to work. It STILL has potential to be great!! Almost all of the crew were terrific, the routes were great, the equipment, until recently was fine (up to when I left, anyway)...but improvements could be made. I left (on good terms) for money reasons. I was happy there, but I understand the many reasons why people leave in droves. I have plenty of great friends still there, but I have no regrets leaving (my bank account loves me!). My family loved our time there, and even some of the schools are good there (NOT the School FEES GF says you get, mind you!) so do not take anything I am saying as against any one person - except CG11.

Most of the rest of my post is directed at CG11, but I can't watch this thread from afar without tossing in some legit comments about other areas that have been touched on briefly by others. Please feel free to respond back to whatever I say, and good luck to all of you there.

CG11, whoever you are, you are pretty hypocritical (wow - correctly spelt!). := A number of posts earlier you were ranting, albeit in some mashed-up language of your own, about this thread being all about the grounding of the 767's at your airline. And then you go off on a tangent (look it up), with the audacity (wow again...spelling is fun!) to rip a hole into the side of one of the most polite, KNOWLEDGEABLE (another multiple-syllable word - gasp!) and helpful true gentlemen many have worked with - the same person who you, in one breath say he is a nice guy and before you finish that breath, you say he is useless?? Are you on drugs (as had been asked by others about you)??

You are a real winner. A winning PRATT, actually. You fire off rude unfounded comments to people who are trying their best to help others like yourself out, and you smash them broad-sided! Do you like taking cheap shots?! You truly are pathetic! You should be so lucky to have a true advocate (look it up, bub) with Tonga Michael in your management. He joined before I left, and was well received by everyone (except jealous anti-social jerks like you, perhaps!). His kindness and generosity are appreciated by many people. And from what I hear nowadays with the crisis you are all facing there, Mike makes an to effort to check on the situation of your fleet, continues to help any crew out, works his fat a$$ off, and gets the job done. :p And he knows a thing or two about being POLITE. Learn from him (and others). You might improve your attitude (which is pretty doubtful, though. You smell like a real bad apple.)!!

I cannot believe you would strike out at anyone the way you have done. SHAME on you, CG11. If you want to go on a mission to eliminate the garbage that is screwing your airline up, aim your target higher. Even the new CP of the 767 seems to be someone else you are after for whatever reason. I don't know him (he joined well after I left) however if he just started, why would you take cheap shots against him, too? Others say he is doing well. Maybe give him a chance?! Maybe HIS hands are tied by HIS top boss(es)?? (Wasn't THAT the reason the previous CP left?)

Shouldn't you use your WASTA (doubt you have any) to awaken your seemingly-useless "BORED" of Directors, or the new incoming CEO, and have them brought up to speed on how to clean the house of the poor performers that infests that place? Going after the wrong people the way you have shows you are confused about what is really happening there.

Too bad you are stuck there and are bitter about it, CG11. Maybe you couldn't leave to better places like many of us have. This is no fault of the people that FLY there, but of those higher up who are responsible for the stagnation in that place. THEY are the real targets. THEY are the reason you are losing more good people. You started asking about why PM, RJ, CR, and many others gone or going soon...re-visit that. Does that help adjust your aim??

SO many other airlines pay better (WAKE UP GF - no wonder people are leaving, with the $hit pay that is still being offered, NO WONDER people still change their mind about going there!). So many other companies have an organized Staff Travel (is the ST Manager and p!ss-poor staff there replaced, yet?! - and this is not a cheap shot at the lower ranks...what a joke that Staff Travel was!! There was only ONE guy (a local Bahraini) who knew his stuff, and WORKED, while the rest sat and pecked messages on their mobile phones while the queues kept growing!! Is it still as bad as a couple of years back?). So many other airlines have non-corrupt housing departments (T had a shady background and yet he still oversees the housing contracts? And how about the amount that they give to find your own place (nothing
is "provided" like they said in the contract...). Get one of the "BORED" of Directors to find a place with what GF thinks ANYone might find with the money they say will get something decent. NOT!! NO WONDER people are pissed off about their housing - and still leaving! (Read what is in the contract and what they "offer"!!!). So many other airlines have a true HR department - USEless - , or an engineering department that can hire and retain a legitimate amount of engineers...or a medical clinic that WORKS (unlike the mess that GF has. Are your Doctors still quitting in frustration?! Ever wonder why it is open 24 hours then not then 24...? The doctors know it is spiraling out of control, too, and QUIT!)...and with this latest fiasco you are dealing with...who oversees the maintenance there now?! At least someone had the balls to bring them in for checks. (Oh and your acting big-boss said it was "minute traces" of "minor corrosion" in his letter to everyone that someone posted here?! HAH! He needs glasses.)

...has your management listened and been able to fix the above issues yet??
If these issues would be addressed, instead of being mindlessly ignored, your company would retain ALL of the people that left, and attract lots more.

CG11 - you really are a jerk for your comments about those who are not responsible for your airlines woes. If you modify your postings (read how to do that elsewhere...) and address the issues (the main ones which make people leave) I will chop most of this post down. Deal??

Good luck, GF. You truly are a great bunch, and I will never forget the great people there. It's too bad that those at the top have left it rusting too long in the sand. As I said before, it could still be a great place to work. Time for a SERIOUS clean sweep, Andre.

Cheers,
R.D.

Amen!

I couldn't agree more:D

Nothing against CG11 ,but i do support everything said by Ray Darr........good night:zzz:

Ray, you hit the nail on the head!!! Peopleare not leaving GF out of spite but because the packages elsewhere are better to the point where you would almost have to be nuts NOT to leave.

Even someone like myself,who has a family, moved his household and furniture across the planet and would have prefered to stay is now looking. It takes a lot to move family so when guys like me (and EVERY friend I have here at GF with a family saying the same thing) it means there are serious issues. Top that off with more than a dozen Bahraini's planning to leave in the first batch to 'Airibiya' and GF has some serious crewing issues looming.

The other issues re: staff travel etc just add to the fire.

The only way to solve the issue is through the package they offer. To meet the other Gulf company's pacages that mean significant payraises, increasing housing to at least 700BD, more than tripling the school allowance etc and then adding yearly increases to match inflation.

I have a feeling though that we will get a token increase in pay (hey, lets see if we even get the 3% on this months pay cheque) and a 50 or 100BD increase in housing.

They have ONE chance to save some pilots from leaving - lets see if they take it.

On a slightly different note..
 

I beleieve the new 1st yr F/O basic salaries at EY are in the region of BD2450! Any substance to this? If so GF has more homework to do in terms of competative salary and pilot retention.

If not, how do they hope to keep the chaps here? Just a thought.

hi everybody

i just want to interfare about the way people talks here CG11 i am not against you i do not know which fleet you fly or who are you, but i am a 767 FO, i have never saw ACP767 MF or CP NS working unproffisional .. they are proffisional ,CP767 he is here since October or NoV. and ACP767 has other things to do as well not just seating and answer your Question or doing Cp767 duty because there are so many things that we do not know in the office they have to deal with it and when the A/C been grounded they can not just write a memo . they have to go through so many things before they send you a memo. HOFO sent us memo, APCE as well, may be when you saw the 767 was stopped from flying for some reason .your way of writing was unacceptable .in my opininon
and if you are flying A330 then you do not have to fight for us

i applied for fleet transfer and i am waiting , this will take a time . you have to understand that they have other things to do more important than flet transfer.
767 fleet office they do have an open door policy , i have been to the office so many times and no bady were upset.
there is few points which you are right about it but not all and when you plame the management when ever something happed


cheers

767

We all agree CG11's attack on the CP and tech pilot were unwarranted and certainly not true..both are more than happy to see folks pop into the office for a hello or a coffee, sometimes their duties prevent them from entertaining us, but when time permits they are more than happy to do so..information to them about the status of the fleet was constantly changing, as the "plan of attack" was constantly changing...which airplanes go where etc...etc...so it would be difficult for them to pass along ACCURATE information...so again, I would recommend a personal visit to the office with your concerns ther Mr CG11..I'm sure either CP or FTP would be more than happy to entertain your criticisms and ponder your ideas...

Excellent post ray..agree with many points you put forward. However the airline has lost so much money in the past, that a mishap like this would almost destroy any hope of conditions ever improving here. It will take many years to turn this airline into a serious player in the region. Something I feel that can be achieved with the right people. I don't think many will have the time to wait as there is no reason to show loyalty ater the way pilots are treated here....if you're ambitious and want to achieve things in your career I would recommend a jump to a more stable and growing carrier. Life may not be as easy going and good like here but you will get where you want to be...................

Speaking as someone who KNOWS...

"This info is not exaggerated.

There was a change proposal sent out by schedule planning and it didn't make good reading.
From my sources, scheduling are looking at cancelling a large number of flights for a few weeks in March.
The "grounding" is to fix some problems so that the A and C checks are completed correctly (unlike Gamco)."

This IS exaggerated, and factually incorrect. The current maint. organisation finds a structural corrosion problem, an immediate fleet check identifies it as a wider fleet issue. The decision is taken to rectify the problem urgently (unfortunately, repairing aircraft usually is most convenient when they are on the ground!). The repairs commence, and naturally take some time and have operational impact. Can someone please tell me how they think that this is action is somehow a bad thing? This has nothing, nil, nada to do with A or C Checks tasks not being completed correctly FFS.

Bloody uninformed speculative rumours annoy me frankly.