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EchoKilla 4th Jun 2020 09:01

one of them is capn wham bam B.al.M ....


Originally Posted by donpizmeov (Post 10801762)
Does anyone know who the chief pilot of the Bus fleet is at EK? We haven't heard anything from him/her, nor anyone else really, and I am hoping they are all ok.
Thought I should send an email to check on how they are going, and update them on how the pilot group is going.

A great chance to interact with the pilot group.....wasted. Must be too busy checking sick days and productivity stats.


donpizmeov 4th Jun 2020 10:10


Originally Posted by EchoKilla (Post 10801782)
one of them is capn wham bam B.al.M ....

Aaaaaaarrrr.....No he is not. Do you really work at EK?

The Outlaw 4th Jun 2020 10:34


Originally Posted by donpizmeov (Post 10801849)
Aaaaaaarrrr.....No he is not. Do you really work at EK?

One is bader than the others...or at least used to be.

donpizmeov 4th Jun 2020 12:54


Originally Posted by The Outlaw (Post 10801876)
One is bader than the others...or at least used to be.

True, but that all changed last year.

Capn Rex Havoc 4th Jun 2020 16:00

EchoKiller -

The fact that I still sit here in DXB wishing myself I dont get that "call"....
and yet you don't know that Bader is no longer the Chief Pilot, hmmmm .....

fatbus 4th Jun 2020 18:06

The guy now is a real loser ! Shocking they made him CPA., but then again. They want a YES man and they got a winner. Absolute clueless individual.

BigGeordie 7th Jun 2020 08:54

They didn’t say that. Expect both.

jetstreem 7th Jun 2020 09:18

50% basic cut extended for a further 3 months. Any adjustments to other benefits?

felixthecat 7th Jun 2020 18:48

Alfa B ... fishing by any chance? None of us know anything.

Alfa bravo 7th Jun 2020 20:13


Originally Posted by felixthecat (Post 10805018)
Alfa B ... fishing by any chance? None of us know anything.

Never mind

Jet II 7th Jun 2020 21:05


Originally Posted by jetstreem (Post 10804573)
50% basic cut extended for a further 3 months. Any adjustments to other benefits?

Not that I have heard. I have to say that I do think that EK have handled the situation pretty well so far when compared to other airlines around the globe. The sliding scale of pay reductions from 50% for management grade and 25% for the rest with no cuts for those on the bottom of the scale who can least afford it. At least no layoffs apart from those on probation - hopefully things will pick up enough to prevent any future job losses.

Emma Royds 7th Jun 2020 22:43


Originally Posted by Jet II (Post 10805115)
Not that I have heard. I have to say that I do think that EK have handled the situation pretty well so far when compared to other airlines around the globe. The sliding scale of pay reductions from 50% for management grade and 25% for the rest with no cuts for those on the bottom of the scale who can least afford it. At least no layoffs apart from those on probation - hopefully things will pick up enough to prevent any future job losses.

There is no sliding scale from July onwards. Based on the email sent on the 7th June, the vast majority of EK employees will now face a 50% salary cut for the months of July, August and September. For our colleagues in the cabin, only the CSAs have been spared and will remain on full salary.

I hope the banks will continue to show some flexibility with debt repayments for those affected.

DuneMentat 8th Jun 2020 01:16

Heard from someone in the office, all meeting rooms have been booked for 2 weeks from Tuesday by HR

fatbus 8th Jun 2020 04:20

DM , Means nothing ! Wait for more confirmed info

EchoKilla 8th Jun 2020 04:48

When u say in the office - were u booking a room? Coz most of the “office folks” aren’t booking too many rooms so much these day


Originally Posted by DuneMentat (Post 10805257)
Heard from someone in the office, all meeting rooms have been booked for 2 weeks from Tuesday by HR


DuneMentat 8th Jun 2020 05:14


Originally Posted by EchoKilla (Post 10805310)
When u say in the office - were u booking a room? Coz most of the “office folks” aren’t booking too many rooms so much these day

No I'm trying to stay away from the office. But the fact that most meeting rooms are booked with most still working from home to me means something is about to happen. I don't expect a big announcement rather just the first thing people will hear is when they get asked to come in for a meeting.

firegrass 8th Jun 2020 14:15


Originally Posted by DuneMentat (Post 10805325)
No I'm trying to stay away from the office. But the fact that most meeting rooms are booked with most still working from home to me means something is about to happen. I don't expect a big announcement rather just the first thing people will hear is when they get asked to come in for a meeting.

It's started.....

Python27 8th Jun 2020 14:16

... Another batch of e-mails for several pilots for a meeting with flight ops...

macdo 8th Jun 2020 15:22

Word on the wire is 599 more redundancies. Commiserations if true

DuneMentat 8th Jun 2020 15:25

Looks like majority A380 but also some 777 are affected

SOPS 8th Jun 2020 15:54

Good luck everyone and look after each other.

felixthecat 8th Jun 2020 16:35

There doesn’t seem to be any rhyme or reason to the guys who have had the letters. Many senior guys who have apparently good records.

DuneMentat 8th Jun 2020 16:41


Originally Posted by felixthecat (Post 10805952)
There doesn’t seem to be any rhyme or reason to the guys who have had the letters. Many senior guys who have apparently good records.

no it really seems like they’ve just chosen mostly at random although anybody with warning letters or attendance issues (justified or not) seems to all have been selected

TBSC 8th Jun 2020 17:29


Originally Posted by DuneMentat (Post 10805957)
no it really seems like they’ve just chosen mostly at random although anybody with warning letters or attendance issues (justified or not) seems to all have been selected

Just like the way it was done at the pink and purple brigade. No wonder as the flight ops management was imported from EK.

SpamCanDriver 8th Jun 2020 21:54

Firstly thoughts to the people getting the letters, absolutely horrible.

But you say lots of senior guys, are they also older? Although completely not fair, it would make sense from a business point of view to get rid of people close to retirement. Rather than someone with many years of service left.

To be clear not endorsing anything, just trying to see if there is any logic, rather than completely random

Dropp the Pilot 8th Jun 2020 23:34

It is unlikely that the people cutting your pay checks have failed to notice that they can have two new captains for the price of one who is at the top of the scale. To avoid any nasty last in/first out squabbles all they have to do is the rescind the work-to-65 policy or even reduce the madatory retirement age to 58 or so.

felixthecat 9th Jun 2020 00:02

Guys in early 50s with letters

FlyingAce77 9th Jun 2020 00:03


Originally Posted by felixthecat (Post 10806210)
Guys in early 50s with letters

These aren’t Deck crew near to retiring age then.. Is it First in Last out?

felixthecat 9th Jun 2020 00:05

First in last out doesn’t appear to be in this case

FlyingAce77 9th Jun 2020 00:06


Originally Posted by felixthecat (Post 10806213)
First in last out doesn’t appear to be in this case

Thought so. This is just Sad.

Jet II 9th Jun 2020 00:42

So about 270 probation flight crew and another 600 today giving almost 900 - what proportion of the total FC workforce is that?. Were the original rumors of 30% redundancies correct?

FlyingAce77 9th Jun 2020 00:46


Originally Posted by Jet II (Post 10806227)
So about 270 probation flight crew and another 600 today giving almost 900 - what proportion of the total FC workforce is that?. Were the original rumors of 30% redundancies correct?

I’m literally Scratching my head.. 900 is a big number. All or most are from A380?

Airbubba 9th Jun 2020 05:30


Originally Posted by FlyingAce77 (Post 10806211)
These aren’t Deck crew near to retiring age then.. Is it First in Last out?

Folks with two-digit seniority numbers have meetings scheduled from what I'm told. :eek:

Don't forget the mask and the dress code as the email says. :ugh:

WB1900 9th Jun 2020 07:43


Originally Posted by Airbubba (Post 10806292)
Folks with two-digit seniority numbers have meetings scheduled from what I'm told. :eek:

Don't forget the mask and the dress code as the email says. :ugh:

wait for new normal on your pay check if u survive it
apparently it’s everybody with more than min pay
so far „we take care of our employees after 31 years of consecutive profits, the well being is important“
and there will be 32nd year with a lot of dead bodies in the basement
what’s clear is that new hires will not a 25k base and not anything like we know as benefits

krismiler 9th Jun 2020 11:12

https://smashnewz.com/emirates-layin...ts-and-pilots/


A few weeks ago I wrote rumors that Emirates Airline would start laying off employees and I was considering grounding much of the A380’s fleet permanently. Although we do not yet know about the future of the A380 fleet, Emirates is today informing a significant number of flight attendants and pilots who are about to end.

EMIRATES BEGINS MASS LAYOFFS

A couple of weeks ago Emirates fired newly hired flight attendants and pilots who had recently completed training or were still trained. Today the airline took job cuts to the next level, including the layoff of many employees who had been with the company for a long time.

Based on my sources, e-mails were sent to many flight attendants and pilots late at night, informing them that they had to attend mandatory meetings today at Emirates training college.

It appears that the airline has essentially engaged in group layoffs. When people arrived at training college, their names were removed from a list and assigned a room. Once the room was filled, there was a quick meeting informing everyone that they were going to be closed:
  • There was no mention of the possibility of being summarized in the future
  • The managers responsible for the fires said they had no detailed insights into the reason and that they were the messengers only
  • I understand that the layoffs were largely aimed at those who had previously received warnings, those who suffered from serious illnesses and those who had previously failed training
At the conclusion of these meetings, employees received letters describing what the closure process will look like:
  • There is a 90 day notice period
  • There is no right of appeal against the dismissal decision
  • Since the company issues work visas to the UAE, there is a 29-day “grace period” beyond the 90-day notice period and, at that point, people must leave the country
  • For situations where employees cannot leave the country due to the closure of borders, these visas can be extended
  • Those who are to remain in the country will continue to receive housing and receive 25% of their basic salary
  • At the time of separation with the company, employees will receive any pending renumbering, the value of unused annual leave and an end-of-service benefit
Emirates advances with further layoffs of the cabin and pilot crew

OTHER EMIRATES EMPLOYEES GET 50% WAGES REDUCTIONS

This week’s news for Emirates employees goes beyond closed news. Many company employees who are still in employment receive a 50% reduction in their base salary between July 1 and September 30, 2020.

Over the past two months, the company has reduced wages for many frontline employees by 25%, but now that amount is increasing.

For flight attendants, the reduction in real wages is greater than 50%:
  • The basic salary is reduced by 50%, but flight attendants are also normally paid for flight hours
  • With most flight attendants flying very little (if at all), they also lose their flight wages
  • This means that for many flight attendants the pay cut is 60% longer
Emirates is also cutting wages for many employees by 50%

BOTTOM LINE

My thoughts are with all those of Emirates today who are losing their jobs. It is especially difficult when you get fired after moving somewhere for a job, with no chance of staying. Many people have built lives in Dubai, now they are forced to leave them behind.

In the end we don’t know how many people Emirates fired and we may not know for a while. Also, the odds are that we will see more layoffs in the coming weeks, as it would appear that they are making layoffs in stages.

First they fired those still in training, then they fired those who had performance problems and who knows which group would be next …


SaulGoodman 9th Jun 2020 11:40


Originally Posted by krismiler (Post 10806527)

what a great company....
halas

GH66 9th Jun 2020 12:06

A "great company" indeed... The only thing great about this company is the staff who have endured many years contributing to the company's repeated success and then are treated like used rags and kicked out the doors without any showing of grace or gratitude. Girls and Guys invested their lives at this ungrateful company and certainly should be shown more respect from these megalomaniacs. Years of loyal service chopped for petty warnings (in most cases) and genuine sicknesses (many from over-working)! God help these maniacs and hope we never forget next time they need to recruit...

FlyingAce77 9th Jun 2020 13:20


Originally Posted by SaulGoodman (Post 10806556)
what a great company....
halas

600 is the number I’m hearing when it comes to Deck Crew”

donpizmeov 9th Jun 2020 13:32

I really don't think EK could have handled today any worse. Very disrespectful to the fellas and girls that were led into the slaughterhouse.
Ladies and gents I am lost for words for what happened today and how you were treated.


FlyingAce77 9th Jun 2020 13:36


Originally Posted by donpizmeov (Post 10806664)
I really don't think EK could have handled today any worse. Very disrespectful to the fellas and girls that were led into the slaughterhouse.
Ladies and gents I am lost for words for what happened today and how you were treated.

Im sooo sorry to hear! Prayers and wishes for all the colleagues at EK and for their families.

Though I wouldn’t except good from Any ME3 airline” their mindset is just of slave mentality.


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