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citabria06g 10th Aug 2018 13:58

Another drink too many
 
Woman held in Dubai with daughter for drinking wine on flight

WTF is going on here? As either a Brit or a Swede, she would have been eligible for visa on arrival, so what's with this expired visa thing? Also, if the alcohol was consumed over international airspace I don't see how she can legally be found guilty, even in the sandpit system of justice (and yes, I have experienced it first hand).

Also, what's with the one year hold up? If it's really that bad and you're facing a year of lost income, just admit guilt, serve a couple of months and be deported, surely?

Too many questions here, something's missing. Even for the sandpit this sounds too extreme. Methinks the camera and a rotten attitude had a big part in this, but I stand by to be corrected.

dubaigong 10th Aug 2018 14:51

Citabria06g,

Obviously you know Nothing about aviation regulation…
You should know that anything that happen in an A6 Registered aircraft is considered as it was done on the UAE soil and the UAE law applied.
This is true for any aircraft from any country.
So next time you are on board an aircraft , be careful and make sure you follow the rules if you Don't want to end up in a similar situation.

DesertHawk 10th Aug 2018 16:07

another example of the wonderful system, how many times do these things need to happen? sad

Jack D 10th Aug 2018 16:38


Originally Posted by dubaigong (Post 10220119)
Citabria06g,

Obviously you know Nothing about aviation regulation…
You should know that anything that happen in an A6 Registered aircraft is considered as it was done on the UAE soil and the UAE law applied.
This is true for any aircraft from any country.
So next time you are on board an aircraft , be careful and make sure you follow the rules if you Don't want to end up in a similar situation.

Actually it’s not nearly that simple . As this incident happened on ground in DXB then UAE law would apply. It’s a very grey area but in my experience drinking is ok but in case of any subsequent altercation it would be held against you .. the whole jail thing sounds well over the top . More to this than is being reported ... I hope . Got to rush I’m off to the airport duty free after sampling the well advertised wine list on EK. Sounds like a loss of face event plus the photography didn’t go down too well ! A little power in the wrong hands is a dangerous thing

Jack D 10th Aug 2018 16:45


Originally Posted by TangoAlphad (Post 10220192)
Boggles the mind that people still want to go to these places for tourism. Never ending stories of just outrageous behaviour by official bodies etc.

So true, but it’s never stated in the tourist brochures for some reason ...

givemewings 10th Aug 2018 16:55

Filming an immigration official would cause issues in most countries regardless of the reason; more so in the UAE where this is definitely illegal.

Definitely more to the story- while drinking is "technically" illegal as a tourist, it's usually jot an issue until linked to some other behavior the authorities take issue with.

Visa one puzzling, unless she was intending to conduct work or business and they found out?

SOPS 10th Aug 2018 17:11

I am confused. EK serves wine as other types of alcohol on almost ALL their flights. Is everyone getting off a EK flight in Dubai doing an illegal thing?

Jack D 10th Aug 2018 17:21


Originally Posted by givemewings (Post 10220205)
Filming an immigration official would cause issues in most countries regardless of the reason; more so in the UAE where this is definitely illegal.

Definitely more to the story- while drinking is "technically" illegal as a tourist, it's usually jot an issue until linked to some other behavior the authorities take issue with.

Visa one puzzling, unless she was intending to conduct work or business and they found out?

Sums it up pretty well, immigration officials can be
obnoxious in many countries USA and Oz come to
mind,passengers also . I suppose that using the alcohol card when it suits them is seen,quite rightly, as rather hypocritical... The Visa issue is probably the main point whatever it may be ?



pilotguy1222 10th Aug 2018 19:39

Guess she should not have started an argument and then started filming a UAE national. If she had not, alcohol would not even have been brought up.
The visa would have been an easy fix if she listened more and talked less.

crewmeal 11th Aug 2018 04:07


White Knight 11th Aug 2018 05:26


Originally Posted by givemewings
while drinking is "technically" illegal as a tourist

My understanding was that the tourist visa stamp entitles the visa holder to drink in hotel bars. You can also bring in duty free booze (to drink in your hotel). You can't buy alcohol though in MMI or A&E.

I think the filming is the real issue as well as the attitude!

Adam Barfy 11th Aug 2018 07:38

Methinks the “one glass of wine” is also a little white lie.
I imagine what really happened would get her locked up for at least a night in most countries

Just like the last big story where the guy “brushed past” a local. Lol

Don't believe all you read.

Adam Barfy 11th Aug 2018 07:43


Originally Posted by TangoAlphad (Post 10220192)
Boggles the mind that people still want to go to these places for tourism. Never ending stories of just outrageous behaviour by official bodies etc.

you should see the behaviour of the tourists.

PanAmFalcon 11th Aug 2018 08:27


Originally Posted by Adam Barfy (Post 10220571)
Methinks the “one glass of wine” is also a little white lie.
I imagine what really happened would get her locked up for at least a night in most countries

Just like the last big story where the guy “brushed past” a local. Lol

Don't believe all you read.

what about the guy that brushed past?

Joker11 11th Aug 2018 09:34

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6049925/British-mother-jailed-Dubai-daughter-drinking-wine-Emirates-flight-FREE-home.html

In all fairness. EK had nothing to do with this.

Hansol 11th Aug 2018 09:50

The issue here is straight forward. If you stick a camera in an immigration officers face, or anyone else without their permission you are breaking the law.

Kennytheking 11th Aug 2018 10:27

As to the hypocrisy of EK providing the alcohol......public intoxication is an offense in many countries around the world.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_intoxication

Taking a drink carries certain responsibilities and for good reason. In society all service providers are required to provide drinks in order to compete. If they don’t they lose to those that do. Now that in itself may bring a responsibility upon themselves but only insofar as they can control their patrons eg like on the plane(DDDD), etc......

Agreed that the punishment appears harsh but once again, i would surmise that any case that takes a year to wrap up is probably as a result of her side indicating they intend to fight this thing in court. Of course in parallel they will fight it in the media with half-truths. Regrettably, I think she is bringing this reign of **** down on herself.......

givemewings 11th Aug 2018 12:08


Originally Posted by White Knight (Post 10220505)
My understanding was that the tourist visa stamp entitles the visa holder to drink in hotel bars. You can also bring in duty free booze (to drink in your hotel). You can't buy alcohol though in MMI or A&E.

I think the filming is the real issue as well as the attitude!

yes that's what I meant with the "technically". You're good in a hotel but once you leave said hotel if you do anything to draw attention then good luck. As for the DF previous cases have shown that's a grey area indeed.

the second she started filming she was done. There's other ways to address issues that is not one of them. And yeah I've seen people get bollocked for using phones in Customs queue in Sydney. Stupid woman was taking video of the crew without permission saying we were cutting in front (we were in the crew lane) and persisted even after we nicely told her its not allowed, stuck her phone in my and the pursers face she then tried to take a photo of me saying she was going to complain to EK. Customs officer came over, confiscated the phone and took her to secondary screening informing her that he could enforce the 10k fine if he so chose so she has better be polite. Don't do it kids.

White Knight 11th Aug 2018 13:52

Anyway, apparently HH Sheikh Mohammed has ordered her release... Update courtesy of the good old DM!

atakacs 11th Aug 2018 20:01

Well I for one have in many occasion slurped a glass of wine during an EK flight - never thought it could, even potentially, get me in trouble...
I'm sure there is much more to this story.


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